INFO-VAX Thu, 15 Feb 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 91 Contents: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: Checking backup (and other batch jobs) Re: DVD writer for DS10L ? Re: Finding the IP of some device on the LAN ? Re: Finding the IP of some device on the LAN ? Re: Intel 80 core chip revealed in full detail Java and JBoss running on Itanium Re: Java and JBoss running on Itanium RE: Java and JBoss running on Itanium Make 1.5 million in 10 minutes Re: OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 Oracle - DST 2007 heads up RE: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: problem with spooled disk Re: small ISP startup Re: X Windows App ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:28:40 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: In article <45D34EE3.4070803@x.y>, BobH wrote: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > In article <1171408658.736753.22030@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: > > > > > >>Try here: http://h30099.www3.hp.com/configurator/catalog-hpintegrity.asp > >>It's a configurator. > > > > > > That page does not work when Javascript is not enabled. > > > > Please mention security-weakening restrictions when posting URLs. > > So Larry, anyone posting a link is expected to fully analyze the target > first? (I would think they would need to look at more than just the > linked page - maybe everything linked to from it?) > It doesn't take much analysis at all. Simply run your normal browser with Javascript turned off. If you get a blank page or something which doesn't function, you know it's reliant on Javascript without even giving it a thought. Please take a look at http://noscript.net/ "There's a browser safer than Firefox... ...it is Firefox, with NoScript! NoScript provides extra protection for your Mozilla/Firefox or Flock browser: this extension allows JavaScript and Java execution only for trusted domains of your choice (e.g. your home-banking web site)." There are good reasons that someone came up with that effort. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2007 12:34:09 -0800 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: Checking backup (and other batch jobs) Message-ID: <1171485249.670820.207330@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Feb 14, 4:30 am, "Andrew Black (delete obvious bit)" wrote: > I would like a program to run that checks on the status of batch jobs (eg > backups). I would like a mail sent with different subject line for > - job ran successfully > - job generated errors > - job appear not to have run > > I started to write something using a mixture of SEARCH -e- etc and MAIL > but was starting to think someone must have written this better than I > can do quickly > > Any suggestions > > A (Shameless plug!) Perhaps this would be useful for you: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/notify/ It will watch a job for you and NOTIFY you when it's done and provide the completion status of the job. It also works if the job is deleted before execution. You can direct it to notify you via REPLY and/or MAIL. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2007 12:08:38 -0800 From: "Rod" Subject: Re: DVD writer for DS10L ? Message-ID: <1171483718.077510.145790@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I have successfully tested writing a backup saveset to a Lite-On SLW-831S using the OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 DVD writer support on a DS10L and the internal IDE interface. (My current understanding is that any slimline IDE DVD writer with +R support would likely work ok). I still need to experiment further to create a single piece of resulting media that is both bootable and would contain the desired backup saveset. I have a cookbook from aother COV thread that looks promising. I had to dig up an adapter board that converts the slimline data/power connector into versions compatible with the native ones used on the DS10L. I used a plain 40/40 IDE cable to make the internal connection. I'm presently iterating on the mounting hole positions and connecting mounting hardware to convert the standard filler carrier in the DS10L into a slimline drive carrier. Creating the exact M2 machine screws and spacers to mount the slimline drive so that it is centered in the front panel bezel is rather tricky. My understanding is that the various slimline DVD writer drives all use the same hole mounting positions and threads so I should be able to use "drive du jour" for the volume rollout. My goal is to produce a DVD writer+carrier+cables assembly that can be used as an FRU on DS10L's sold as a turnkey configuration for my application customers. Since I don't need a floppy drive for the backup and recovery, this avoids using the much more expensive 3X-PBXRY-AA as a starting point. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:02:52 GMT From: Rick Jones Subject: Re: Finding the IP of some device on the LAN ? Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Say I plug in some unknown gizmo (without user interface) on my lan. > What would be the way to find out its IP address that it thinks it > has ? > Are there reverse ARP commands where you give it the ethernet > address of a device, it sends a broadcast asking that device to > identify itself and you then know what IP it has ? There is RARP, but the device(s) in question have to support it and have it enabled. > If this device is configured with an IP that is not in the same > subnet, does it implicitely mean that arp tables on that lan's host > will not include that response from the gizmo even though they may > have physically received it ? I wouldn't think so, I would think that matching the IP subnet would be a precondition for caching data from ARPs a host sees go by. To reach a host in another IP subnet, one uses the MAC address of the gateway configured for that remote IP subnet, which could be the default gateway. Now, on many systems one can configure one's own IP as the default gateway and rely on "proxy ARP" but IIRC the ARP code in and of itself doesn't know that the local IP is the default gateway, so it would only pay attention to ARP packets with that remote IP if it had already cached that IP-MAC mapping, which would only happen if one side or the other initiated address resolution with the other, which in at least one direction presumes that the unknown gizmo's IP is already known... Even if ARP isn't looking at the IPs involved to see if they are in the same subnet, it is considered a bad idea to just cache any-old ARP data you see go by. That isn't a particularly "scalable" thing to do. Typically, attention is paid only to those IPs which are already in the ARP cache, which takes us back to address resolution having been initiated which leads right back to knowing the IP in the first place. rick jones -- denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth... where do you want to be today? these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:52:32 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Finding the IP of some device on the LAN ? Message-ID: JF Mezei writes: >Say I plug in some unknown gizmo (without user interface) on my lan. >What would be the way to find out its IP address that it thinks it has ? >Are there reverse ARP commands where you give it the ethernet address of a >device, it sends a broadcast asking that device to identify itself and you >then know what IP it has ? I believe you should be able to send an ARP request packet to the device, except instead of filling the target's IP address and zeroing the target's hardware address, you zero the IP address and fill in the target's hardware address. And you could (should) send the request directly to the target device instead of the broadcast address. That's how to generate the request, but I don't know how to tell any of the VMS IP stacks to do that for you. Since the stack will "own" the ARP protocol, you can't just generate the ARP packet from a program, unless you have a system not running the stack (or has an "extra" adapter) to do it from. There is a reverse ARP protocol, but I don't think it's used much if at all now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:55:11 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Intel 80 core chip revealed in full detail Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: > > wrote in message > news:1171386141.078749.325170@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> Why would Intel spend lots developing 8086? IA64 is WELL ahead of >> 8086. >> >> Or did you mean x86-64? >> >> Steve >> > > He always means x86-64 but for some reason no one has been able to get > him to drop 8086. > (I never hear Steve Jobs ever mention the 6502 :-) He does it for attention. Quit feeding his ego. -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2007 10:56:19 -0800 From: "Dona" Subject: Java and JBoss running on Itanium Message-ID: <1171479379.322035.112780@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> Hi to everyone, I installed and got running SDK 5.0-2 and JBoss 4.0.5-GA on OpenVMS 8.3 operating system for Itanium, out of curiosity have a look at the following news :) http://www.openvms.org/ blog.isti.cnr.it/jboss/ At this point, I need to evaluete and testing Java behaviour on OpenVMS, about threads, I/O on sockets and files, memory management, etc and the performances of J2EE 1.4 (because of JBoss is J2EE 1.4 compliant). So I need to know if there are some benchmarks testing the Java and J2EE 1.4 performances, running on OpenVMS 8.3 for Itanium architecture. Any advices will be very useful. Thanks so much, Donatella. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2007 15:52:34 -0800 From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr Subject: Re: Java and JBoss running on Itanium Message-ID: <1171497153.977336.202320@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> On 14 f=E9v, 19:56, "Dona" wrote: > Hi to everyone, > > I installed and got running SDK 5.0-2 and JBoss 4.0.5-GA on OpenVMS > 8.3 operating system for Itanium, out of curiosity have a look at the > following news :) > > http://www.openvms.org/ > blog.isti.cnr.it/jboss/ > > At this point, I need to evaluete and testing Java behaviour on > OpenVMS, about threads, I/O on sockets and files, memory management, > etc and the performances of J2EE 1.4 (because of JBoss is J2EE 1.4 > compliant). > > So I need to know if there are some benchmarks testing the Java and > J2EE 1.4 performances, running on OpenVMS 8.3 for Itanium > architecture. > I don't use JBoss but I think that there is a monitoring tool based upon JMX which gives you the opened threads, the memory consumption... You can also used a remote Jconsole to monitor the OpenVMS JVM (works only on Itanium not on Alpha). I don't know any easy solution for monitoring response times on the client side under various loads. Maybe you will find a tool at http:// java-source.net/ > Any advices will be very useful. > Thanks so much, > > Donatella. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:50:54 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Java and JBoss running on Itanium Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dona [mailto:erminido@yahoo.it]=20 > Sent: February 14, 2007 1:56 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Java and JBoss running on Itanium >=20 > Hi to everyone, >=20 > I installed and got running SDK 5.0-2 and JBoss 4.0.5-GA on OpenVMS > 8.3 operating system for Itanium, out of curiosity have a look at the > following news :) >=20 > http://www.openvms.org/ > blog.isti.cnr.it/jboss/ >=20 > At this point, I need to evaluete and testing Java behaviour on > OpenVMS, about threads, I/O on sockets and files, memory management, > etc and the performances of J2EE 1.4 (because of JBoss is J2EE 1.4 > compliant). >=20 > So I need to know if there are some benchmarks testing the Java and > J2EE 1.4 performances, running on OpenVMS 8.3 for Itanium > architecture. >=20 > Any advices will be very useful. > Thanks so much, >=20 > Donatella. >=20 Also, as I recall reading somewhere, Java V1.5.x on *all* platforms apparently performs quite a bit better than V1.4.x.=20 Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:10:18 GMT From: Virgin Mobile Subject: Make 1.5 million in 10 minutes Message-ID: <_WRAh.985216$1T2.422848@pd7urf2no> Find out how Roy . Made over 1 million in 10 minutes. http://alberta-oilsands.blogspot.com/2007/02/oil-and-gas.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:29:48 GMT From: dittman@dittman.net Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 Message-ID: <0QNAh.4180$E71.652@trnddc04> Dave Froble wrote: > dittman@dittman.net wrote: > > I'm in need of the OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 installation CD. Does > > anyone have a copy available I could borrow? > Knowing your location would be a great help. Someone 1/2 mile down the > road may be able to help. You are correct. I forgot to put that in my post. I'm in the Dallas area. I've found a copy, so I'm no longer looking. Thanks, everyone. -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2007 11:51:12 -0800 From: "DaveG" Subject: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <1171482671.987911.99950@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Learned this yesterday. Oracle introduced the data types TSLTZ (timestamp with local time zone) and TSTZ (timestamp with timezone) with 9i. If you have Oracle apps that utilize the above data types, Oracle needs to be patched to comply with the new 2007 DST rules if you live in an area where those rules apply. This is in addition to the OpenVMS and Java patches that may be required, depending on version caveats. Dave... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:37 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: DaveG [mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com]=20 > Sent: February 14, 2007 2:51 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up >=20 > Learned this yesterday. >=20 > Oracle introduced the data types TSLTZ (timestamp with local time > zone) and TSTZ (timestamp with timezone) with 9i. If you have Oracle > apps that utilize the above data types, Oracle needs to be patched to > comply with the new 2007 DST rules if you live in an area where those > rules apply. >=20 > This is in addition to the OpenVMS and Java patches that may be > required, depending on version caveats. >=20 >=20 > Dave... >=20 In addition to the above, some additional links of interest: http://blogs.oracle.com/schan/2007/01/19 - Oracle eBusiness suite and DST http://www.hp.com/go/dst - HP http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cp_dst - Microsoft http://www.ibm.com/support/alerts/us/en/daylightsavingstimealert.html - IBM http://inms-ienm.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/time_services/daylight_saving_e.html - Canada time zones and DST http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Intl/USDST/ - Sun http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/daylight-saving-time/usa/dst-2007.htm - Interesting background info Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:39:08 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: problem with spooled disk Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > On every node of your cluster, you need to do a SHOW DEV/FILES disk: and > then make sure all nodes have stopped accessing that disk (including > installed images with $INSTALL DELETE Nothing installed; it's just a scratch disk. > You can then try combinations, from another node of MOUNT/CLUSTER and > DISMOUNT/CLUSTER of that disk. > > If, on the problem node, SHOW DEV/FILES fails, you then need to use INSTALL > LIST and catch whatever files would be installed (they will show up with > incomplete information as I recall). > > After you are certain that no files are being accessed to that disk, you > can try combinations of dismount (from other nodes first using SCS (aka: > DISMOUNT/CLUSTER) as well as the DISMOUNT/ABORT. (look at SHUTDOWN.COM for > the magic incantation of DISMOUNT that does the real DISMOUNT/ABORT) > > I think I managed to recover from such a situation once or twice, but other > times, it needed a reboot. Probably. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:52:03 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: small ISP startup Message-ID: In article , Paul Sture writes: > > > It appears that my ISP did react to being put on a blacklist (proof that > > > anti-spam complaints do work?) and implemented outbound mail > > > authentication. > > > > > > Since VMS TCP/IP services doesn't offer that, I set up my Mac as a mail > > > router, and that works fine. > > > > Another alternative: http://www.dynaccess.com/ and send email through a > > trusted server with no need for authentication. > > I've seen you recommend this before, so you are obviously satisfied with > the service. Which tariff do you use? Yes, I've been a customer since early 2003. I have the HeartBeat A tariff. I don't use the HeartBeat feature (this is an example of a service which is much better than other dynamic-DNS providers, and provides "network monitoring" as a side effect, which is an extra service (and needs to be paid for extra) with some other providers. The reason to move from Business C to HeartBeat A was to get to use the SMTP relay server. I'm considering moving to HeartBeat B since then I could run all INCOMING mail through a server there and have spam filtered out (to a degree which I can configure and change whenever I want over the web). I'll also look at using (more) anti-spam features with TCPIP on VMS, but a) this might not be worth the trouble and b) if I block an IP address, then the spammer MIGHT go to another MX record, which would be my backup MX server at DYNACCESS and, since the backup MX server can't know if I blocked this address intentionally or was just having a temporary glitch, I would still get the spam. The HeartBeat B tariff is just a bit more expensive (10 cents per day or so; certainly my time spent just deleting spam is worth more than that) so I'll probably go that route. If I start using the HeartBeat, then it's also faster in that tariff. An additional advantage of doing the anti-spam filtering there is that TCPIP 5.3 on VAX has fewer anti-spam features. Now, I jump through some hoops to keep the cluster alias with an ALPHA so that I can use more anti-spam features, but ideally it shouldn't matter which machine has it. And it won't, if I don't have to filter spam at my end. I'm using my self-written DCL update client, but they offer a PERL script for downloading. The service works well. The web pages are clearly structured and do a good job of explaining the various features. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2007 13:47:26 -0800 From: "DJ" Subject: Re: X Windows App Message-ID: <1171489646.419969.323880@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> On Feb 14, 11:29 am, h...@NIRWANA-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > > He can also use PuTTY directly from Windows to VMS. > > Yeah of course, with ssh to vms I meant: > use whatever the command/program on the windows system is to make > an ssh connection, but do it directly to vms, not via a Linux system in > between. > > -- > Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany: http://www.huber-joseph.de/ Many thanks to all who have responded!!! And I apologize for not replying sooner, but today, I have been digging a minivan out of all the snow we have received here barely got it off the street last night. Background FYI - The OpenVMS box is not on the Internet so I have to connect to this client's Linux (SUSE) box. After reading all of the replies, which got me thinking about the problem more, I think I assumed to much given my limited experience with X and tunneling. I believe what was added to my login.com (via the call to client.com) sets up the display for when I happen to be in their office, which is not frequent, and I have not run an X app on the VMS box yet while in the office. When I am in the office, I connect to the SUSE's X desktop (via Cygwin or Exceed). At home, I have X servers on my UNIX boxes - in this case I happen to be connecting to one of my Linux boxes with Cygwin. When I connect to this client's Linux box my DISPLAY gets a value of localhost:10.0. I think I need to read up and see if I could look up my connecting IP (to the SUSE box) and manually create the display on the VMS box with something like: set display /create /tran=tcpip /server=10 /node= Not sure if that would work. Thanks to all for pointing me to some new things regarding VMS (like SYS$NET) to read up on. Respectfully, Daryl ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.091 ************************