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Re: Does HP still sell software for Alphas? Re: Getting PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1 when trying any "product" command Re: Getting PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1 when trying any "product" command Re: Getting PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1 when trying any "product" command Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Re: OpenVMS Alpha Source Code listing QB-MT1AB-E8 Re: Oracle moves to per-chip licencing Re: OT: IBM's Power to power Boeing's 787 Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and Windows Shares Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and Windows Shares Re: Problem with sysdump.dmp Re: Problem with sysdump.dmp Re: SAMBA on OpenVMS with OS X client Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #6 Available Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Mar 2007 07:48:11 -0700 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Alpha vendors? Message-ID: <1173710891.867103.327080@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com> Who are all the Alpha vendors that might have a DS10 available for shipment to a US location? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:31:09 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Alpha vendors? Message-ID: <45F5723D.CC2E56B4@spam.comcast.net> tadamsmar wrote: > > Who are all the Alpha vendors that might have a DS10 available for > shipment to a US location? > > Thanks! David Turner of Island Computers posts here frequently. Recommendable. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 09:35:05 -0700 From: "Rod" Subject: Re: Alpha vendors? Message-ID: <1173717305.410630.81210@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 12:31 pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > David Turner of Island Computers posts here frequently. Recommendable. I'll second that recommendation for Islandco. I've transacted with them several times, and they have stood behind what they sell too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:35:52 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Alpha vendors? Message-ID: Rod wrote: > I'll second that recommendation for Islandco. I'll third that recommendation for www.islandco.com (disclaimer, I won a free computer from them, but also bought a second one, and both times, their service was extremely curteous, professional and reliable, even though my transactions were for only a couple hundred dollars). ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 04:25:23 -0700 From: "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1173698723.023082.236490@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 11, 11:56 pm, JF Mezei wrote: [...snip...] > > You may wish to check out > > http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/ > > 39 minute report on how the media was manipulated into saying stuff to support > certain causes in the last 6 years. It was aired last week, but you can stream > it on the web. > > One of the problems not mentioned specifically is that media organisations are > businesses that sell advertising. They use polls to determine what people want > to see. But what people want to see is determined by what the media tells them. > > It used to be that their news divisions were considered a service as opposed to > a business unit. Now, ratings are important to sustain revenus and this means > editorial content is affected by what the managers THINK people *want* to see as > opposed to what they *NEED* to see. > Thanks for this link. It is one example of what I was talking about where news is coupled to ratings rather than facts. It is one of the reasons that FOX news has become so "administration friendly" by pulling in all those politically biased viewers to increase rating numbers. After about one year of numbing war drums on networks like CNN, I was forced to watch news on PBS (the MacNeil News hour still closes with a dead soldier roll), BBC (notice how they control their voices so that no facts are biased?), and listen to NPR on satellite. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 04:46:23 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1173699983.791765.260260@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 12 Mar, 03:42, Bill Todd wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > ... > > When Palmer gave Intel all > > > those gifts to thank Intel for stealing Alpha designs, one of those > > gifts was a Jerusalem chip design office. > > > It turns out that Intel's current success with its 8086 "Core" designs > > came from its Jerusalem office. > > No, it did not: those products came from Intel's primary Israeli > design/development center in Haifa, which has been an Intel facility > since 1974. The only design done in Jerusalem is for networking and > communication products. > > - bill Quite. The Core architecture is from the team that developed Pentium M. The first Pentium M processor was code named Banias which is an area of the Golan Heights not far from Haifa. Simcha Gochman the lead engineer on the Pentium M and Duo Microarchitecture is a 20+ year Intel employee based in Haifa. Regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 11:56:12 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <55ktesF25aeokU1@mid.individual.net> In article <1173669845.197235.30810@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>, "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" writes: > On Mar 11, 8:21 pm, Kilgal...@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >> In article <1173647690.934192.292...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" writes: >> >> > data age". Before the internet, "watergate scandal" meant just that, >> > but today you've got all kinds of mis-information data flows popping >> > up (like "scooter isn't really guilty of anything even though a jury >> > of 12 said he was"). >> > A couple of weeks back I heard that Al Gore was an energy wasting > hypocrite. I googled this information only to learn that this "news > item" came from an Exxon sponsored web site that fed information to > Republican-friendly reporters. > http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848 Just because you don't like the source doesn't mean it isn't true. I haven't read that one, but I would guess it points out the fact that when he attended the big globalwarming/energy summit in Japan he traveled ther in a private jet that used more fuel and generated more greenhouse gases for just that trip than I will with my Mazda Miata in my entire life time. Always remember when you are dealing with people like Al Gore, his suggestions are for people like you and me, not people like him. Learn your place!! And, dis-information works both ways. Anybody here remember what I said a short time ago about why this change in DST (which has already had costs in the billions of dollars according to analysts) was going to save nothing? Remember the reason I gave for that? Well, UCB has done the official research. Their findings? There will be absolutely no energy saving as a result of this change for exactly the reasons I gave. And as for the safety issue. We now have people getting up an hour earlier, which makes them still sleepy when they start their morning commute, leaving while it is still dark. We have school kids going to the bus stop before the sun comes up. And this is going to promote safety and reduce the number of accidents? Go figure. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 04:50:09 -0700 From: "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1173700209.152855.94100@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 3:34 am, Bill Todd wrote: [=2E..snip...] > > Thanks - it's good to see that the rest of the world (and its media) > doesn't have its head as far up its ass as most of America still does. > Anyone seriously paying attention knew virtually all of what's in that > program prior to the invasion 4 years ago (except for Wilson's personal > contributions, which surfaced a few months later), but clearly 90+ > percent of our population not only weren't seriously paying attention > back then but haven't managed to rectify that deficiency since (yeah, a > lot have finally come around to the realization that the war is not > going well and we should probably get out, but to admit how thoroughly > they were bamboozled into supporting a wholly unnecessary and completely > illegal invasion still seems too high a hurdle for them to clear - and > they don't much like having it pointed out, either). > > As the program makes clear, our national media aren't doing much to > help. For all the good the Fourth Estate has done since 9/11 we might > as well amend protection for them out of our Constitution (especially if > we fill the resulting void in its pages with stronger guarantees of free > speech in general). > > The superficiality of the treatment was a bit disappointing (one could > be left with the impression that the Administration was simply > presenting a biased viewpoint rather than out-right lying and > manipulating), but I guess there was only so much they could cover in 40 > minutes - and they do have pointers to previous programs that may have > gone into more detail (haven't watched them yet). > > - bill > Thanks for the complement but first know this: Americans might be dumb for reelecting George W once; but Canadians are much more dumb for reelecting Jean Chr=E9tien twice. And this living example of a Canadian Forest Gump could only have been reelected if the news media was in on the scam, and the CBC was. They are a governent funded news outlet who learned, from a speech by Reform Part leader Preston Manning, that they would be privatized if the conservative party came to power. A minority conservative party has now been in power for about a year and the CBC has started to realize that conservatives are not all hicks from the west. On top of that, some CBC people have spoken out against the Chr=E9tien engineered "sponsorship scandal" which the Liberal's used to buy votes in Quebec. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 05:10:08 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1173701407.997750.316920@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 8:05 am, b...@instantwhip.com wrote: > On Mar 11, 11:24 pm, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A couple of weeks back I heard that Al Gore was an energy wasting > > hypocrite. I googled this information only to learn that this "news > > item" came from an Exxon sponsored web site that fed information to > > Republican-friendly reporters.http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848 > > > When I first heard about the information age I never once thought that > > people would be able to build careers creating mis-information (hello > > Rush Limbugh, Bill O'Reily, Ann Colter, Glen Beck). Of course this was > > all before the creation of the FOX network. Yep the web is being used > > to deny global warming; promote the Iraq war; belief in area 51; all > > kinds of wack-a-do stuff. I wonder if all this is one reason why > > people would rather get their news information from the Comedy Central > > (John Daily, Colbert Report, etc.)http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=83290 > > > Neil Rieck > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > and the liberal drive by news media does nothing wrong? > > Those above give fact ... CBS, CNN and others besides FOX just > give propaganda every night ... > > and global warming has nothing to do with us ... > > they just studied the surface temperatures on Mars and found > they have risen the same as ours ... > > in other words, ITS THE SUN STUPID ...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - and that is not calling you stupid, that is an old political paraphrase from the 90s election the economy stupid ... get it? and here is something else irrelevant to think about ... the biggest CO2 polluters are animals accounting for 18% of all emissions, which one scientist concluded that cars actually have saved us on that because the alternative would be horses like the 1800s and they really put out the gas if you know what I mean ... so you want to stop the biggest threat, shoot the animals ... I wonder how the animal rights groups will respond to this news ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:03:08 -0000 From: "chris" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <45f53e94$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net> how long is the support for open vms on itaniums, is it true DOD wanted support till 2020 for their applications? wrote in message news:1173698723.023082.236490@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 11, 11:56 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> You may wish to check out >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/ >> >> 39 minute report on how the media was manipulated into saying stuff to >> support >> certain causes in the last 6 years. It was aired last week, but you can >> stream >> it on the web. >> >> One of the problems not mentioned specifically is that media >> organisations are >> businesses that sell advertising. They use polls to determine what people >> want >> to see. But what people want to see is determined by what the media tells >> them. >> >> It used to be that their news divisions were considered a service as >> opposed to >> a business unit. Now, ratings are important to sustain revenus and this >> means >> editorial content is affected by what the managers THINK people *want* to >> see as >> opposed to what they *NEED* to see. >> > > Thanks for this link. It is one example of what I was talking about > where news is coupled to ratings rather than facts. It is one of the > reasons that FOX news has become so "administration friendly" by > pulling in all those politically biased viewers to increase rating > numbers. > > After about one year of numbing war drums on networks like CNN, I was > forced to watch news on PBS (the MacNeil News hour still closes with a > dead soldier roll), BBC (notice how they control their voices so that > no facts are biased?), and listen to NPR on satellite. > > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 05:05:09 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1173701109.547171.70400@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 11, 11:24 pm, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" wrote: > > A couple of weeks back I heard that Al Gore was an energy wasting > hypocrite. I googled this information only to learn that this "news > item" came from an Exxon sponsored web site that fed information to > Republican-friendly reporters.http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/8/17/133652/848 > > When I first heard about the information age I never once thought that > people would be able to build careers creating mis-information (hello > Rush Limbugh, Bill O'Reily, Ann Colter, Glen Beck). Of course this was > all before the creation of the FOX network. Yep the web is being used > to deny global warming; promote the Iraq war; belief in area 51; all > kinds of wack-a-do stuff. I wonder if all this is one reason why > people would rather get their news information from the Comedy Central > (John Daily, Colbert Report, etc.)http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=83290 > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ and the liberal drive by news media does nothing wrong? Those above give fact ... CBS, CNN and others besides FOX just give propaganda every night ... and global warming has nothing to do with us ... they just studied the surface temperatures on Mars and found they have risen the same as ours ... in other words, ITS THE SUN STUPID ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:10:30 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <45f54336$0$180$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote: > On Mar 11, 11:56 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> You may wish to check out >> >> http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/ >> >> 39 minute report on how the media was manipulated into saying stuff >> to support certain causes in the last 6 years. It was aired last >> week, but you can stream it on the web. >> >> One of the problems not mentioned specifically is that media >> organisations are businesses that sell advertising. They use polls >> to determine what people want to see. But what people want to see is >> determined by what the media tells them. >> >> It used to be that their news divisions were considered a service as >> opposed to a business unit. Now, ratings are important to sustain >> revenus and this means editorial content is affected by what the >> managers THINK people *want* to see as opposed to what they *NEED* >> to see. >> > > Thanks for this link. It is one example of what I was talking about > where news is coupled to ratings rather than facts. It is one of the > reasons that FOX news has become so "administration friendly" by > pulling in all those politically biased viewers to increase rating > numbers. > > After about one year of numbing war drums on networks like CNN, I was > forced to watch news on PBS (the MacNeil News hour still closes with a > dead soldier roll), BBC (notice how they control their voices so that > no facts are biased?), Oh, that is f*ing hilarious. The BBC long ago lost its reputation for lack of bias and is as "subjective" as other news networks. I will grant that they are probably a bit more subtle about it and they are probably more reliable than the US networks. Dweeb > and listen to NPR on satellite. > > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 06:25:29 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <55ktesF25aeokU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > And, dis-information works both ways. Anybody here remember what I > said a short time ago about why this change in DST (which has already > had costs in the billions of dollars according to analysts) was going > to save nothing? You'll be pleased to now that Congress decided it couldn't be certain that the DST change will save energy. They consider it experimental. If it doesn't work, you'll get to patch all your systems to a different standard than the one you just patched to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:39:36 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <45f54336$0$180$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > > After about one year of numbing war drums on networks like CNN, I was > > forced to watch news on PBS (the MacNeil News hour still closes with a > > dead soldier roll), BBC (notice how they control their voices so that > > no facts are biased?), > > Oh, that is f*ing hilarious. The BBC long ago lost its reputation for lack > of bias and is as "subjective" as other news networks. I will grant that > they are probably a bit more subtle about it and they are probably more > reliable than the US networks. > You beat me to it. And the BBC seem to be getting worse. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:21:18 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article , Paul Sture writes: >In article <45f54336$0$180$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > >> n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote: >> > >> > After about one year of numbing war drums on networks like CNN, I was >> > forced to watch news on PBS (the MacNeil News hour still closes with a >> > dead soldier roll), BBC (notice how they control their voices so that >> > no facts are biased?), >> >> Oh, that is f*ing hilarious. The BBC long ago lost its reputation for lack >> of bias and is as "subjective" as other news networks. I will grant that >> they are probably a bit more subtle about it and they are probably more >> reliable than the US networks. >> > >You beat me to it. And the BBC seem to be getting worse. > I can't say I've noticed a marked increase in bias from the BBC. The Conservatives still think the BBC has a left wing bias and Labour thinks they have an anti-government bias. Which probably means they are getting it about right. After the drubbing they got from the government on the IRAQ War and David Kelly affair they are probably rather more cautious but that is understandable. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >-- >Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:26:37 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <45F5712D.6C3CC794@spam.comcast.net> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070311/ap_on_bi_ge/amd_intel_shifting_fortunes;_ylt=Aq92wST7yGqKfikqJHJ7jCNj24cA > > SAN JOSE, Calif. - The high-flying Advanced Micro Devices Inc. of 2006 > has given way to a company in financial peril, saddled with debt and > bleeding from a brutal price battle with its larger and suddenly resurgent > Silicon Valley archrival, Intel Corp. AMD has been up and down before. Their investors have been on "wild rides" that would curl most stockholders' hair and challenge even the most avid roller-coaster enthusiasts. Nothing new. Not the first time, won't be the last. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:54:25 -0700 From: David Mathog Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: Larry Kilgallen wrote: > From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070311/ap_on_bi_ge/amd_intel_shifting_fortunes;_ylt=Aq92wST7yGqKfikqJHJ7jCNj24cA > > SAN JOSE, Calif. - The high-flying Advanced Micro Devices Inc. of 2006 > has given way to a company in financial peril, saddled with debt and > bleeding from a brutal price battle with its larger and suddenly resurgent > Silicon Valley archrival, Intel Corp. Well lets all pray to our deities of choice that AMD never does go under. If they do, with no competition left in the x86 space, Intel will stop innovating ASAP. Intel clearly had the ability to produce a far better chip than the netburst, but only competition from AMD actually made them do so. (Caveat, Via still makes x86 chips but nothing at present that goes head to head with the mainstream AMD or Intel products.) Regards, David Mathog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:52:51 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <216e8$45f58584$cef8887a$9638@TEKSAVVY.COM> n.rieck@sympatico.ca wrote: > After about one year of numbing war drums on networks like CNN, I was > forced to watch news on PBS (the MacNeil News hour still closes with a > dead soldier roll), BBC (notice how they control their voices so that > no facts are biased?), and listen to NPR on satellite. BBC World isn't 100% unbiased. Howver, when you combine it with other sources, it does provide a fairly good view of the world. I have found that the news on TV5 (France international network) also provide a good point of view. one big advantage for BBC is that they have reporters permanently stationed around the world, whereas USA networks send reporters from the USA whenever they hear of something important happening elsewhere. During the actual Iraqi invasion, I found the french TV news to be the best. They had reporters roaming freely in Bagdhad (contrary to what USA network said couldnt be done) and didn't sequester the majority of their reporters in "embedded" units whose role was to ensure the reporters didn't see anything. And I personally cannot wait for Al Jazeera Intl to be carried in Canada. (this is their new english language news service). Comparing their points of view/reporting with that of BBC and others should be most interesting. The problem with the "information age" is that you can no longer trust individual sources of information, you need to verify their accuracy/reliability by combining multiple sources. I still watch CNN from time to time, not to get news, but rather to see how badly they report news to americans. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:59:29 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <6fe92$45f58712$cef8887a$11394@TEKSAVVY.COM> chris wrote: > how long is the support for open vms on itaniums, is it true DOD wanted > support till 2020 for their applications? DEC could have made garantees in 1985 about VMS being supported until 2010. And even though vax is dead and no longer developped, VMS is still being developped on successor platform. Officially, the onwer of VMS garantees SUPPORT of the OS for 5 years after the last sale on that platform. You can get legal commitments for much longer periods (the year you mention has been used for some good customers). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:08:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > the biggest CO2 polluters are animals accounting for 18% of > all emissions, Again, this is media twist. The real problem with global warming aren't CO2 emissions per say. The real problem is the introduction in the atmospheric cycle of NEW carbons that had been stored for milleniums. Where does the carbon in cow manure come from ? It comes from the grass the cow ate. Where did the grass get its carbon from ? It got it from atmpsphere through photosynthesys. It is a neutral process where no new carbons are introduced into the atmosphere. However, take coal or petrol, and you are taking carbon that had been out of the atmospheric cycle for milleniums and introduce them into the atmosphere, ths increasing the amount of carbon in the atmospheric cycle. This is why "bio fuels" are a HUGE answer to the problem because you are getting fuel from plants which got their carbon from the atmosphere. No matter how "polluting" a car is, it does not introduce NEW carbons in the atmospheric cycle. And bob, you mention animals generating 18% of world's CO2 emissions. The USA generates 25% of the world's emissions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:29:57 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: Paul Sture wrote: > You beat me to it. And the BBC seem to be getting worse. They are still orders of magnitudes better than any of the USA news networks. The BBC has one big difference: its constitution requires it to provide unbiased reporting and when the BBC makes mistakes, the BBC can be investigated for failing in its mission. The "sexed up Iraqi dossier" story lead to such an investigation. Even though the allegation ended up being true, at the time it was made, the BBC did not have sufficient proof and the reporter went on air without having gone through proper BBC channels to get authorisation to make this allegation on-air). While far from being 100% perfect, that oversight does give the BBC some motivation to provide accurate reporting. the USA news networks are accountable to nobody (except perhaps advertisers and the white house press office to whom they have to suck up in order to get "access".). ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 07:36:01 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Broken Internet connectivity Message-ID: <45f502e1$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1173673305.173827.145390@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>, TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com writes: >My hobbyist Alpha system running VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 has >recently developed an inability to reach the Internet, at least with >TCP/IP protocols. When I ping a remote host using a hostname its IP >address is returned, but all packets end up lost. I believe this >problem coincided with my upgrade from ECO 5 to ECO 6 of TCPIP, but >wouldn't swear to it. The timing may be coincidental. There is a known problem with V5.4 ECO6. But AFAIK it is with the nametranslation (and only in Non-BIND means HOSTS environments) and so it seems it doesn't relate to your problems. The "solution" was to use a particular shareable image of ECO5 instead. Look at the routing table and try also traceroute and so on... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 08:09:08 -0700 From: TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com Subject: Re: Broken Internet connectivity Message-ID: <1173712148.824689.59500@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com> On Mar 11, 10:23 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > TFTAJLLYM...@spammotel.com wrote: > > My hobbyist Alpha system running VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 has > > recently developed an inability to reach the Internet, at least with > > TCP/IP protocols. > > It is a common problem with VMS systems of a certain age. There are some magic > blue pills that can help solve this issue. Look on your mailbox, you probably > have a lot of advertsisements for such pills ;-) Funny you should say that. Two weeks ago I had to repeatedly plug and unplug the keyboard several times during the boot sequence to convince it to complete the boot. This went on for about three days. Kinda reminded me of tapping the IV tube. :-) You were right about the TCPIP SET COMM/ACCEPT behaviour. When I deleted all HOSTS and NETWORKS, my connectivity to the outside world was restored. Since I had no problems before the ECO 6 upgrade, I was convinced I could keep the settings I had had. Many thanks JF > > If you use "traceroutewww.ibm.com" , how far does it go ? Does it reach your > router ? > > Your TCPIP show route seems OK. > > AN 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 > AH 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 > AN 192.168.0.0/24 192.168.0.3 > AH 192.168.0.3 192.168.0.3 > > First line is your default route that points to your router. > 3rd line says to route anything to 192.168.0.* via the 192.168.0.3 interface. > > HOWEVER, it appears that: > > >$ tcpip show communication/security > >Access lists > > Accept host: LOCALHOST, 142.32.2.125, 142.36.84.205 > > Accept netw: 192.168.0.0:255.255.255.0 > > The documentation for SET COMM/ACCEPT isn't quite explicit. But if the presence > of a list implies that anything not on that list is rejected, then it would > explain your behaviour. It is possible that this is something which could have > changed with the ECO (eg: a bug fixed etc). > > try TCPIP SET COMM/ACCEPT=NONETWORK=192.168.0.0:255.255.255.0 > and the corresponding hosts with NOHOST BINGO! But why? > > Does pinging 142.32.2.125 work ? if it, it may support the theory that hosts > outside of the accept list would be blocked. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 08:15:24 -0700 From: TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com Subject: Re: Broken Internet connectivity Message-ID: <1173712524.759662.16850@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> On Mar 11, 11:36 pm, p...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article <1173673305.173827.145...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>, TFTAJLLYM...@spammotel.com writes: > >My hobbyist Alpha system running VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 has > >recently developed an inability to reach the Internet, at least with > >TCP/IP protocols. When I ping a remote host using a hostname its IP > >address is returned, but all packets end up lost. I believe this > >problem coincided with my upgrade from ECO 5 to ECO 6 of TCPIP, but > >wouldn't swear to it. The timing may be coincidental. > > There is a known problem with V5.4 ECO6. > But AFAIK it is with the nametranslation (and only in Non-BIND means > HOSTS environments) and so it seems it doesn't relate to your problems. > The "solution" was to use a particular shareable image of ECO5 instead. > > Look at the routing table and try also traceroute and so on... Thanks, Peter. Please see my reply to JF. I did look at TRACEROUTE and my routing table, several times, but the information I got did not help much. It turned out to be the /ACCEPT entries I had in my COMMUNICATION/SECURITY configuration. The ECO 6 version of TCPIP would appear to interpret these entries somewhat differently than the ECO 5 and pevious versions. Thanks, > > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > E-mail p...@langstoeger.at > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 06:08:47 -0700 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Does HP still sell software for Alphas? Message-ID: <1173704926.974418.6050@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> I might need to bu licenses to get more units if I replace our Alphas with larger ones. Does HP still sell licenses and software for Alphas? ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:38:28 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Does HP still sell software for Alphas? Message-ID: <45f565e4@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1173704926.974418.6050@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" writes: >I might need to bu licenses to get more units if I replace our Alphas >with larger ones. > >Does HP still sell licenses and software for Alphas? S/W of course (but don't forget to also check for "migration" licenses) http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=index Alpha H/W selling was stopped in Oct2006, but was then extended to Apr2007 _for specific Alphas_ (means as long as the stock lasts). http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/download/Alpha_Extended_Sales.pdf -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 07:38:25 -0700 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: Does HP still sell software for Alphas? Message-ID: <1173710305.006136.71230@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 9:38 am, p...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article <1173704926.974418.6...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" writes: > > >I might need to bu licenses to get more units if I replace our Alphas > >with larger ones. > > >Does HP still sell licenses and software for Alphas? > > S/W of course (but don't forget to also check for "migration" licenses) > > http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=index > > Alpha H/W selling was stopped in Oct2006, but was then extended to Apr2007 > _for specific Alphas_ (means as long as the stock lasts). > > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/download/Alpha_Extended_Sales.pdf > > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > E-mail p...@langstoeger.at > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist Thanks. Miagration is not relavent if I am just going to another Alpha, correct? ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 07:44:54 -0700 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: Does HP still sell software for Alphas? Message-ID: <1173710694.197321.86460@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 9:38 am, p...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article <1173704926.974418.6...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" writes: > > >I might need to bu licenses to get more units if I replace our Alphas > >with larger ones. > > >Does HP still sell licenses and software for Alphas? > > S/W of course (but don't forget to also check for "migration" licenses) > > http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=index > > Alpha H/W selling was stopped in Oct2006, but was then extended to Apr2007 > _for specific Alphas_ (means as long as the stock lasts). > > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/download/Alpha_Extended_Sales.pdf > > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > E-mail p...@langstoeger.at > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist I will probably by a DS10 shortly, but its not listed in that letter as a currently shipping system. So, I guess I will use the aftermarket. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:11:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Does HP still sell software for Alphas? Message-ID: <37a0b$45f589d3$cef8887a$12181@TEKSAVVY.COM> tadamsmar wrote: > I will probably by a DS10 shortly, but its not listed in that letter > as a currently shipping system. When EV7 came out, the DS line was upgraded as well. DS10 were replaced by DS15s. DS20s replaced by DS25s. So it is understandable that DS10s would no longer be sold by HP. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 13:04:01 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Getting PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1 when trying any "product" command Message-ID: <45f54fc1$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1173614997.959919.132560@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, mcbill20@yahoo.com writes: >Hello all. I have inherited a VAX 4000-50 that was set up by someone >else quite a while back. The machine is running VMS 7.2 and Multinet >4.4 Rev A. Do you want to keep the installed software or do you plan to install the more current version OpenVMS VAX V7.3? If you upgrade/reinstall it, your problems will vanish... >I tried to install the DFU utility from the VMS freeware and got the >above listed error when trying the "PRODUCT INSTALL" command. I then >tried a "PROD SHOW HISTORY" and got the same. I haven't been able to >find much information on this error. Yup. There isn't much info on corrupted PCSI databases and how to correct them. But in your case, it seems (!) not really corrupted, only the volume label (logical) of the system disks might got changed some time in the past. > I found one listing at HP.com and >it indicates a possible problem with changing the volume name of a >drive. This computer looks like they may have changed the volume name. Yes, but do you know the old volume label? And do you know if products were installed on non system disks in the past? >The HP.com forum mentioned trying "PROD REGISTER VOLUME" to fix the >problem. I don't know if it is also possible to repair a problem with the system volume label with it. Could be a catch 22 situation. > I tried that command but got the same error. Here is the >output from my system: > >$ show dev d > >Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt >Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt >HSD0$DIA0: Mounted 0 SYS 7709229 369 1 >HSD0$DIA1: Mounted 0 USR 9310338 2 1 >SIMSVC$DUA0: Online 0 So, HSD0$DIA0 is the system disk. Right? >$ prod show hist >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------------------------- >PRODUCT KIT TYPE OPERATION DATE AND TIME >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------------------------- >%PCSI-E-OPENOUT, error opening _HSD0$DIA0 as output >-PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1, destination device is not mounted or does not have an associ >ated logical volume name >%PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed >%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition And this is what I don't understand. I would have expected, that the old volume label of the system disk would have appeared and you would get a hint on how to fix it. eg. $ DEFINE/SYS/EXE DISK$oldvollab SYS$SYSDEVICE: $ PRODUCT REGISTER VOLUME oldvollab SYS$SYSDEVICE But the devicename as it appears is the current system disk name and tells it is not mounted (what the system disk surely is) so it seems the message is not that helpful. >Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sorry, don't know. Maybe the DISK$SYS system logical got hosed and some action like a reboot would fix it... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 05:18:55 -0700 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Getting PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1 when trying any "product" command Message-ID: <1173701935.133318.139710@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 6:04 am, p...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article <1173614997.959919.132...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, mcbil...@yahoo.com writes: > >Hello all. I have inherited a VAX 4000-50 that was set up by someone > >else quite a while back. The machine is running VMS 7.2 and Multinet > >4.4 Rev A. > > Do you want to keep the installed software or do you plan to > install the more current version OpenVMS VAX V7.3? > > If you upgrade/reinstall it, your problems will vanish... I'd like to do that. However, when I mentioned rebuilding this machine the other network person was less than excited. I guess that in addition to Multinet and PMDF, this node has a few other undocumented responsibilities in our network including bootp and ntp. It also has a homegrown program for employee timekeeping. > > >I tried to install the DFU utility from the VMS freeware and got the > >above listed error when trying the "PRODUCT INSTALL" command. I then > >tried a "PROD SHOW HISTORY" and got the same. I haven't been able to > >find much information on this error. > > Yup. There isn't much info on corrupted PCSI databases and how to correct > them. But in your case, it seems (!) not really corrupted, only the > volume label (logical) of the system disks might got changed some time > in the past. > > > I found one listing at HP.com and > >it indicates a possible problem with changing the volume name of a > >drive. This computer looks like they may have changed the volume name. > > Yes, but do you know the old volume label? > And do you know if products were installed on non system disks in the past? I have no idea what the original volume label was. I tried the "register volume" command with "vaxvmssys" but the "register volume" command generates the same error that is is purportedly trying to fix. > > >The HP.com forum mentioned trying "PROD REGISTER VOLUME" to fix the > >problem. > > I don't know if it is also possible to repair a problem with the > system volume label with it. Could be a catch 22 situation. I agree. I don't think this is going to work. > > > I tried that command but got the same error. Here is the > >output from my system: > > >$ show dev d > > >Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt > >Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt > >HSD0$DIA0: Mounted 0 SYS 7709229 369 1 > >HSD0$DIA1: Mounted 0 USR 9310338 2 1 > >SIMSVC$DUA0: Online 0 > > So, HSD0$DIA0 is the system disk. Right? Yes, that is the system disk. > > >$ prod show hist > >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------------------------- > >PRODUCT KIT TYPE OPERATION DATE AND TIME > >----------------------------------- ----------- ------------------------------- > >%PCSI-E-OPENOUT, error opening _HSD0$DIA0 as output > >-PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1, destination device is not mounted or does not have an associ > >ated logical volume name > >%PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed > >%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition > > And this is what I don't understand. I would have expected, that the old > volume label of the system disk would have appeared and you would get a > hint on how to fix it. > > eg. $ DEFINE/SYS/EXE DISK$oldvollab SYS$SYSDEVICE: > $ PRODUCT REGISTER VOLUME oldvollab SYS$SYSDEVICE > > But the devicename as it appears is the current system disk name > and tells it is not mounted (what the system disk surely is) so > it seems the message is not that helpful. > > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Sorry, don't know. Maybe the DISK$SYS system logical got hosed and some > action like a reboot would fix it... The system got rebooted yesterday during the new daylight saving time fiasco. The problem is still there. > > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER > Network and OpenVMS system specialist > E-mail p...@langstoeger.at > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:02:08 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Getting PCSI-E-INVSPIDST1 when trying any "product" command Message-ID: <45f55d60$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1173701935.133318.139710@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>, mcbill20@yahoo.com writes: >On Mar 12, 6:04 am, p...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: >> If you upgrade/reinstall it, your problems will vanish... > >I'd like to do that. However, when I mentioned rebuilding this machine >the other network person was less than excited. I guess that in >addition to Multinet and PMDF, this node has a few other undocumented >responsibilities in our network including bootp and ntp. It also has a >homegrown program for employee timekeeping. Ok. I did only one vms install in the last 20 years (when I switched from single node system disk V4.7 to a clustered system disk with V4.6 and upgrade again to V4.7) and this was the change of my employers ;-) The normal way is to update VMS. There might be products which won't install on a new VMS version but continue to run on the new version when installed and running on the old version (eg. ETHERNIM, DECmcc, ...) But there might be reason for installing VMS fresh. eg. getting rid of old applications (installed with VMSINSTAL, having no deinstallation routine and no listing which files belong to this application). YMMV >> Yes, but do you know the old volume label? >> And do you know if products were installed on non system disks in the past? > >I have no idea what the original volume label was. I tried the >"register volume" command with "vaxvmssys" but the "register volume" >command generates the same error that is is purportedly trying to fix. I'd expected that you also tried PRODUCT REGISTER VOLUME SYS SYS$SYSDEVICE >The system got rebooted yesterday during the new daylight saving time >fiasco. The problem is still there. DST fiasco? Is there a TZ patch for V7.2? I only know of the one for V7.3 One more reason to upgrade to the latest/last OpenVMS VAX version... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 08:04:57 -0700 From: "UnderMine" Subject: Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Message-ID: <1173711897.569067.67340@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> On Mar 12, 12:14 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , pech...@pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter) writes: > > Actually the RT11 varient lived on the 86x0 console on the T11. > > The 11/78x consoles were pretty much RT11 format files -- but not the > > RT11 OS. > > IIRC 8600 started life with the intention of being the VAX 11/790, > but marketing changed it. The 86x0 had a lot in common with 11/78x. > > And the OS seemed to relate to the real RT-11 in a manner that > RSX-11F (TOPS-20 front ends) related to RSX-11M, similar, but not the > same. I would love to be able to capture this information. The best related information I have been able to find relates to the 8650 support :- http://www.msu.edu/~mrr/mycomp/vax8650.htm Cross relating it to this :- http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2682/SP2682PF.PDF http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:s-xEbERjAqcJ:h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2682/SP2682PF.PDF&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&client=firefox-a >From these I get the impression the system was used for boot time diagnostics and low level system and hardware initialisation similar to a BIOS in a PC. These docs date this about 1986-1987 which would be around the same time a RT-11 5.3 or GAMMA-11 but from the sound of this sub-thread we are talking of a RT-11 v4 (1980) derivative which suggest this OS older than the docs suggest and I am missing something. Thanks Paddy ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 06:17:54 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha Source Code listing QB-MT1AB-E8 Message-ID: In article <45F2D432.2010600@comcast.net>, "Richard B. gilbert" writes: > > ISTR that the source listings used to sell for something like $25,000 > US. That was eight or ten years ago. HP may have made them available > at a more reasonable price since then. Note that the source listings > may not include things like the License Management encryption scheme and > other little goodies. The last time I priced the source listings, they were an order of magnitude cheaper than that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:25:33 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Oracle moves to per-chip licencing Message-ID: <45ECDF2D.9488C788@spam.comcast.net> Bob Koehler wrote: > > In article <45EB7F9A.2212DB79@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > > Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> > >> David J Dachtera wrote: > >> > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > >> >> Standard Edition up to version 9.2 runs on VMS, but > >> >> Oracle is not going to release Standard Edition 10.x > >> >> on VMS. Apparently Oracle doesn't feel anyone wants > >> >> Standard Edition on VMS. > >> > > >> > I guess Oracle never heard of either Healthcare or high finance, both of which > >> > have been prime markets for Oracle. > >> > >> Would healthcare or financial sector use Standard Edition ? Or would > >> theu use Enterprise Edition ? > > > > Depends on the vendor, size of the installation, certification/requirements, > > etc. > > If Oracle continues on its current path, they will be using > Enterprise Edition, or they'll move away from Oracle. More likely > the former. Of course, since HP is likely to remain on its present course, the customer base will likely move away from VMS. I just spent a good half-hour on the phone with one of my vendors today. They have swallowed HP's UX propaganda hook, line, sinker and bait. (Sue, etc. can e-mail me privately for specifics - some of you were Bcc'd on my last reply to the vendor.) Can't salvage that VMS bastion, either... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 06:08:24 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: IBM's Power to power Boeing's 787 Message-ID: In article <45f1cb58$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > In article <55ciujF2441kgU1@mid.individual.net>, Michael Unger writes: >>I am not aware of "VxWorks for Alpha". > > Didn't VxWorks originate on Alpha? > At least, I once heard this on a (german) DECUS event (late 90). VxWorks has been aronud much longer than Alpha. The first use I heard of was on 68000, but it may have started earlier. > > But I don't know how Wind River Systems (the current owner) fits in > the picture. Was it a split off of DEC, was it a company which took > VxWorks (when DEC sold itself in pieces) and improved it, was it a > cooperation of Wind River and DEC then in 1994 or what else (and I > also don't know how if any the similarities of VAXeln and VwWorks are)? VxWorks is not, and has never been, a DEC product, other than as a reseller for embedded Alpha based applications. Wind River has never been a part of DEC. VxWorks on Alpha replaced VAXEln on VAX because DEC didn't feel like writing another low volume real time OS. We wanted to port VMS based realtime applications from VAX to Alpha and were disapointed to find out VMS was not supported on the target Alpha boards. Clearly we new VMS could handle the application and we didn't want to do an OS port. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:57:32 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and Windows Shares Message-ID: Michael D. Ober wrote: > Can Pathworks Advanced Server mount Windows 2003 shares and what are the > licensing requirements for Windows workstations to mount VMS directories > shared via Pathworks? Also, can I use JYC's Samba to connect to our VMS > Server and have a Pathworks Advanced Server on the same server to connect to > Windows Shares? > > NFS isn't going real well. > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. Neither pathworks nor samba will let you mount a windows share although samba lets you use the smbclient command for an ftp like file transfers. You can get NFS for windows from various places. You can try the microsoft windows services for unix. It appears to be free: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=896C9688-601B-44F1-81A4-02878FF11778&displaylang=en You can use samba and pathworks on the same vms box if pathworks is not configured to use tcpip. samba can use the tcpip interface and pathworks can use the others for file sharing (ipx/spx/netbeui/decnet..) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:19:00 GMT From: "PEN" Subject: Re: Pathworks Advanced Server and Windows Shares Message-ID: <8YfJh.1136$kC.1038@news.cpqcorp.net> Hi, "Michael D. Ober" wrote in message news:08KIh.8667$PL.2038@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Can Pathworks Advanced Server mount Windows 2003 shares and what are the > licensing requirements for Windows workstations to mount VMS directories > shared via Pathworks? Also, can I use JYC's Samba to connect to our VMS > Server and have a Pathworks Advanced Server on the same server to connect > to Windows Shares? > > NFS isn't going real well. > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. I'm not sure about JYC's Samba, but I've had some luck getting the HP's evaluation release of CIFS/Samba for OVMS to run simultaneously on the same system with Advanced Server. I suspect this may work for JYC's version too. The keys were: 1. You cannot affect which UDP nor TCP ports Advanced Server uses. It will allocate UDP ports 137 and 138, and TCP port 139 on all interfaces. Thus, you have to force Samba to avoid using these ports by: a. Changing the definition of the SMBD service to use TCP port 445 instead of TCP port 139. b. Do not start the NMBD process (to avoid allocating udp ports 137 and 138). 2. Prevent the Samba server from using the same interface that Advanced Server is using. There seems to be a few ways to do this: a. Define the SMBD service using the /ADDRESS qualifier to specify which IP address the SMBD service will respond to. b. Use the smb.conf global parameters: bind interfaces only = yes interfaces = Note that initially I had both Advanced Server and Samba using a single interface/ip address on the Alpha. But when I tried to force the Windows client to use the Advanced Server and not Samba, I couldn't. The client would attempt the operation on tcp port 445 first and, despite specifying the Advanced Server's name in the request, the Samba server was responding. For example, the Advanced Server computername is dtaxp3as; Samba's computername is configured as dtaxp3. But even when I tried: net view \\dtaxp3as I would get the list of shares offered by the Samba server. But once I defined an alias interface (i.e, $ ifconfig we0 alias 10.1.1.1/18) and redefined the SMBD service to use that address only (and restarted TCP/IP), I can now do things like: net view \\10.1.1.1 and get the list of shares from the Samba server or: new view \\ and get the list of shares from the Advanced Server. You could also give the alias address a name in the DNS name space and/or define a statis WINS entries (or use LMHOSTS entires) so clients could use a name to connect to the Samba server. But since the Samba server is NOT running the NMBD process, you can't rely on broadcasted NetBIOS name queries to translate the Samba computername to an IP address. Obviously, there are likely other "issues" with this set up that I've not yet discovered (just started testing this morning). But I was able to map a share to both servers from my Windows XP client. Below is the command file I used to set up the SMBD service (this only needs to be run once to define the service). If you already have an SMBD service defined ($ UCX SHOW SERVICE SMBD), you'll have to delete it ($ ucx set noservice smbd) and recreate it anew: $ set noon $ tcpip disable service smbd $ tcpip set service smbd - /protocol=TCP - /port=445 - /flag=listen - /address=10.1.1.1 - /user=SAMBA$SMBD- /process=SMBD - /file=SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SMBD_STARTUP.COM - /log=(FILE:SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]SMBD_STARTUP.LOG,ALL) - /limit=10 $ TCPIP SET CONFIG ENABLE NOSERVICE SMBD Then you need to modify sys$startup:samba_startup.com and comment out the lines that start the NMBD process. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've also had some luck using only a single IP interface address. It seems if the client has an LMHOSTS #PRE definition for the name specified when mapping a share, it doesn't try port 445 first. If you specify the fully qualified domain name or IP address of the server it uses port 445 first. So with the Advanced Server computername defined in LMHOSTS. with #PRE (so it gets preloaded into the TCP/IP NetBIOS name cache) I was able to map a drive to a share offered by Advanced Server and one offered by Samba: net use * \\dtaxp3\pwutil /user:administrator * # AS share net use * \\dtaxp3.alf.cpqcorp.net /user:nunez * # Samba share Paul ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 06:04:56 -0700 From: "mb301@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: Problem with sysdump.dmp Message-ID: <1173704696.718110.130150@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> On 9 Mar, 21:51, "Colin Butcher" wrote: > Not such a bad idea. I usually put a comment line (or several) into > MODPARAMS.DAT instead. > > -- > Cheers, Colin. > Legacy = Stuff that works properly! Don't know why I thought that DUMPFILE =1 generate the dumpfile and DUMPFILE=0 to disable the cacluation.Have removed the line from modparams and have generated the correct size dump file. Kind regards Marc ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 14:22:13 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Problem with sysdump.dmp Message-ID: <45f56215$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1173704696.718110.130150@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>, "mb301@hotmail.com" writes: >Don't know why I thought that DUMPFILE =1 generate the dumpfile and >DUMPFILE=0 to disable the cacluation.Have removed the line from >modparams and have generated the correct size dump file. Why? If you let AUTOGEN calculate the (size of the) dumpfile (by not including the DUMPFILE parameter in MODPARAMS.DAT) then why did _you_ "generate the correct size dump file". Or in other words, if you think you have a correct size dump file now, why don't you include "DUMPFILE=0" into MODPARAMS.DAT now? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2007 06:26:53 GMT From: "Dave Weatherall" Subject: Re: SAMBA on OpenVMS with OS X client Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:15:03 UTC, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "Dave Weatherall" writes: > > > > > >On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:49:26 UTC, Paul Sture > > wrote: > > > >> In article <00A645ED.385CEFB1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, > >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >.... > > > >> But, seeing your directory named [GigsOfPixOfGigs] has reminded me of > >> another potential problem facing you, namely that OS X chokes on large > >> Samba directores, which you see in the Google discussion below. > > > >Thanks to Paul's quote, I've parsed the direcory name. Thought it was > >an attempt at a palindome. How many Merillion? I ask myself. > > That would be Marillion. ;) My current Aperture vaults fill 3 250GB > firewire drives. And no, it's not all Marillion. From just the past > year, there's also: Oops - bad spelling/typing day!. > Cast(MX), Marillion(UK), Evolucion(CR), Trettioariga Kriget(SE), > The FLower Kings(SE), Kinzoku Ebisu(JP), Sergio Alvarez(CU), > Toccata(MX), FLamborough Head(NL), Amarok(PL), Mostly Autumn(UK), > Arbatel(MX), Lazuli(FR), Interpose+(JP), England(UK), Nektar(UK), > Odessa(IT), Mirthrandir(US), Hatfield and the North(UK), SBB(PL), > NEO(UK), John Young(UK), Ephemeral Sun(US), Satellite(PL), > Karmakanic(SE), Hamadryad(CA), Mirthrandir,(US),The Watch(IT), > Pallas(UK), Pineapple Thief(UK), Magic Pie(NO), Hatfield and > the North(UK), The Tony Levin Band(US), Ozric Tentacles(UK), FM(CA), > Richard Leo Johnson(US), Riverside(PL), KBB(JP), Keith Emerson(UK), > Niacin(US), Ange(FR), Michael Manring(US), Guapo(UK), Nima and Mirge(MX), > IZZ(US), Kino(UK), Cryptic Vision(US), Rocket Scientists(US), > Helmut of Gnats(US), Ezra(UK), Credo(UK), White WIllow(NO), > John Michell and John Beck(UK), Strangefish(UK), Pendragon(UK), > Darwin's Radio(UK), Echolyn(US), Pinnacle(US), Fear of FLying(US), > Jason Hart(US), Mahavishnu Project(US), Mirthrandir(US), ProtoKaw(US), > SkeletonBreath(US), Spiraling(US), The Red Masque(US), > The Underground Railroad(US), IZZ(US), Karl Eisenhart(US), > Frogg Cafe(US), The Flower Kings(US), Cryptic Vision(US), > Roger Waters(US), Steve Hogarth(UK), Steve Hackett(UK), > Robert Fripp(UK), The Musical Box(CA),The Strawbs(UK), > The Flower Kings(SE),The Australian Pink Floyd(AU), John Wetton(UK). Jesus and I didn't even get to see Joe Bonamassa the other week 'cos I was too busy at work. And he was on only 5km away! Actually I'd forgotten until I was on my way home at about 20:15. Had we gone we might have seen some of it. Although I may have fallen asleep... John Wetton - good voice. Lots of other stuff in there I recognise. -- Cheers - Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:15:14 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #6 Available Message-ID: Ken Farmer wrote: > VMS Audio Update - Episode #6 > > In this our sixth episode we'll get an Encompass Update from Nina Buik, a T4 > summary from Steve Lieman, a network cabling story from Colin Butcher and an > RMS tuning segment from Bruce Ellis. > > http://www.openvms.org/VAU-2007-03-09_06 > > Feedback: > http://www.openvms.org/feedback > > > Ken > __________________________________ > Kenneth R. Farmer < 336-736-7376 > > www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org | vpn.OpenVMS.org > de.OpenVMS.org (German) | fr.OpenVMS.org (French) | it.OpenVMS.org > (Italian) I really wish the music between the articles would not be louder than the broadcast volume of the articles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:24:48 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Message-ID: <86058$45ecc2f4$cef8887a$19901@TEKSAVVY.COM> Richard B. gilbert wrote: > Then there was the closed architecture; no slots where you could > plug in a hard disk controller, etc, etc, etc. MAC had SCSI right from the get go. I still remember booting a MAC+ with diskette and running PageMaker from diskette as well. Eventually bought a 20meg SCSI hard drive an just plugged it in and it worked. And while it is true that the cabinet was "closed", one could easily obtain the long torx tool to unscrew the hidden screws and open the box. BTW, the plastic inside had signatures (molded in) of many of the Apple employees who worked on it. Additional memory could be added faily easily once you had that tool (from 3rd parties). While some may have bitched about this, in the end, the hardware remained "standard" and made it a hell of a lot easier for Apple to produce an OS that didn't crash every 10 minutes. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.142 ************************