INFO-VAX Tue, 03 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 185 Contents: Re: alpha still viable, we were lied to, Microsoft let down users and shareholde Re: Digital Storageworks equipment for sale... Re: firmware cd 3.6 - HELP Re: firmware cd 3.6 - HELP Re: firmware cd 3.6 - HELP Re: HSZ question from RCM data collector Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400 More on why Javascript is evil Re: More on why Javascript is evil OT: IntelNewsWire Password change, IP alias Re: Password change, IP alias Re: Password change, IP alias Ping Sue Re: Ping Sue Re: Purveyor and Auth DLL Re: Should DECW X server release memory ? Re: Should DECW X server release memory ? Re: Switching off MULTITHREAD RE: Switching off MULTITHREAD Re: SYSBOOT.EXE not found with MOP boot Re: TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:48:22 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: alpha still viable, we were lied to, Microsoft let down users and shareholde Message-ID: Andrew wrote: > On 2 Apr, 17:19, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> In article <1175523530.055196.122...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "Andrew" writes: >> >> >> >>> On 2 Apr, 15:08, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: >>>> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20060123PR200.html >>>> this article shows that Bill Gates let down all windows users >>>> as alpha could have made NT spyware proof ... >>>> that EV8 and EV9 could still be viable leaders ... even EV7 >>>> still leads in some apps ... >>>> that is why compaq killed the worksattion base, to get rid >>>> of alpha sales ... >>>> to sum it up ... MICROSOFT AND COMPAQ LET ITS USERS >>>> AND STOCKHOLDERS DOWN BIG TIME ALL FOR PROBABLY >>>> MONEY STUCK IN THERE POCKETS TO DO SO ... >>>> and HP is continuing the trend ... >>>> notice China has been given alot of the technolgy ... >>>> bet they are using it right now to take over as the >>>> top superpower ... >>> Bob >>> Sadly the page you refer to is a paid for subscription service. Since >>> I am unwilling to fund conspiracy theorists I for one will not be >>> subscribing. I also imagine that you will find very few people who are >>> prepared to fork out to for the privilege. >> It also seems to be fairly old news. Unless I'm mistaken the >> 20060123 part of the URL appears to refer to a news item >> from 23 Jan 2006 >> >> David Webb >> Security team leader >> CCSS >> Middlesex University >> >>> Regards >>> Andrew > > Bobs not been having a particularly good last couple of weeks. > > A whole load of posts about GW refering to articles which have all > turned out to be ill informed factually incorrect politically inspired > rubbish. A new and lets say rather dubious choice of email addresses > due in part to these posts and now a link to an outdated article which > would cost anyone wanting to access it $370. > > I would draw the line at paying $370 for todays news but $370 for last > years news !!!!!!!!! > > Regards > Andrew > Might that be a small indicator of boob's judgement ??? -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:07:49 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Digital Storageworks equipment for sale... Message-ID: <4611B6F5.AEEABF7E@spam.comcast.net> "Schroeder, AJ" wrote: > > Hello group, > > I have quite a bit of Digital Storageworks equipment that I have collected > over the past few years. I am looking to sell some of it off. I figured that > I would give the newsgroup members first dibs on it, then I will go to eBay. > > I have multiple BA35x towers (tan and blue) with the fans, personality > modules, and power supply units, some of them even have the complete "skins" > with the doors and stands. If anyone wants them, I have a bunch of 4 GB tan > and 9GB blue SBBs available. Also I have SCSI cables of varying lengths and > connector types. > > All of this is coming from my personal collection of pieces and parts and > all parts are known to be in working order and in good condition. I can sell > some individual items off as parts, but I would like to sell a couple towers > as whole packages. Shipping can be negotitated if outside the US, although I > am told that there are massive amounts of fees if shipping is outside the US > so it may not be worth it. I am in the Milwaukee, WI area so if you are near > me local pickup can be arranged. > > Please email ajschroeder@no-spamhotmail.com (remove no-spam first) for a > complete list of parts. I'd like a look at the list. I'm in far south-west suburban Chicago. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:57:27 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: firmware cd 3.6 - HELP Message-ID: <00A658BF.B1CE85BB@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1312jjgmu33kge2@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers, D B Turner" writes: > > >Well it seems that we need 3.6 >If anyone had a copy I would greatly appreciate it Trade you a V3.6 F/W for a DS15! :D -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:19:06 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: firmware cd 3.6 - HELP Message-ID: With which version of VMS did it ship, I likely have a copy. On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:42:11 -0700, Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: > Well it seems that we need 3.6 > If anyone had a copy I would greatly appreciate it > > David > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:19:14 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: firmware cd 3.6 - HELP Message-ID: <00A658EC.A59A4395@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" writes: > > >v6.2-1h3 > > >dt Is a copy OK? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:08:58 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: HSZ question from RCM data collector Message-ID: <4611B73A.E320B1F7@spam.comcast.net> Big John wrote: > > Hi. After a full health-check of a customer system, the RCM data > collector has thrown up some odd messages about the HSZ. The system > is.. > AlphaServer ES40 > Operating System VMS V7.3-2 > Console Version V7.1-1 > Palcode Version 1.98-4 > > Controller: > HSZ80 ZG94810319 Software V83Z-1, Hardware E04 > > SCSI_VERSION = SCSI-2 > > Here is the extract from the HSZ section of the RCM data collector > output. > > MW2BOTFR> > SHOW ASSOCIATIONS FULL > Error 9060: Container or unit ASSOCIATIONS does not exist > > MW2BOTFR> > SHOW CONCATSETS FULL > Error 9060: Container or unit CONCATSETS does not exist > > MW2BOTFR> > SHOW CONNECTIONS FULL > Error 9060: Container or unit CONNECTIONS does not exist > > MW2BOTFR> > SHOW REMOTE_COPY FULL > Error 9060: Container or unit REMOTE_COPY does not exist > > According to the VMS tech journal , - > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v4/rcm_for_openvms.html > - these are correct commands, so I am concerned about why they are > throwing up these messages. Any HSZ wizards out there with any ideas? According to the HSZ firmware, the items you're showing are *NOT* valid for HSZ: $ set host/scsi $1$dke103 Copyright Digital Equipment Corporation 1994. All rights reserved Copyright Digital Equipment Corporation 1993, 1998. All rights reserved. HSZ80 Software version V83Z-0, Hardware version E10 Last fail code: 018700A0 Press " ?" at any time for help. HSZ01> show ? Your options are: DEVICES DISKS EMU FAILEDSETS OTHER_CONTROLLER PASSTHROUGH RAIDSETS MIRRORSETS SPARESETS STORAGESETS STRIPESETS THIS_CONTROLLER UNITS Unit number or container name HSZ01> Exit They are, however, valid for HSG (fibre channel) controllers: $ set host/scsi $1$GGA32004: Copyright Digital Equipment Corporation 1994. All rights reserved Copyright 2002-2005 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. HSG80 Software version V88F-4, Hardware version E16 Last fail code: 018000A0 Press " ?" at any time for help. HSG007>show ? Your options are: ASSOCIATIONS DEVICES DISKS DRIVE_ERROR_THRESHOLD ELEVATION_INFO FAILEDSETS CONNECTIONS REMOTE_COPY_SETS CONCATSETS MANAGERS MIRRORSETS OTHER_CONTROLLER PASSTHROUGH RAIDSETS SPARESETS STORAGESETS STRIPESETS THIS_CONTROLLER UNITS ID Unit number or container or connection name HSG007> Exit Hope this helps... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:10:27 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400 Message-ID: <4611B793.D3064FCC@spam.comcast.net> FredK wrote: > > "tadamsmar" wrote in message > news:1175527400.740057.18080@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >I am getting this Led indicator on a dead AS400. > > > > Is it easy to swap out a keyboard controller on an Alpha Station 400? > > I have another dead one with a bad motherboard that I could use for > > parts. > > > > The KB controller is part of one of the bridge chips - the replacement is a > new motherboard. Since the OP is reporting this as a "dead AS400", I take it that means it won't even go to the serial console... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:55:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: More on why Javascript is evil Message-ID: <8cbf4$46119806$cef8887a$29108@TEKSAVVY.COM> More info on why Javascript is an evil security liability. http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6172582.html?tag=nefd.aof ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 2007 20:52:52 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: More on why Javascript is evil Message-ID: <1175572372.245583.132530@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 2, 6:55 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > More info on why Javascript is an evil security liability. > > http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6172582.html?tag=nefd.aof Yeah, but using a little Javascript has kept my Hobbyist Forums a lot cleaner from the likes of Xrumer script kiddes trying to sell all sorts of nonsensical items/products. It was getting worse than e-mail spam. Javascript isn't always evil.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:31:15 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: OT: IntelNewsWire Message-ID: Put a copy here www.kednos.com/intel No mention of Itanium, although elude to an advanced server, makes you wonder. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:17:46 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Password change, IP alias Message-ID: Had a Power outage on 8.3 Itanium box. Because there was a PWDLIFETIME had to change passwd, but before I did I went through console and set th= eis to NONE. How do I change it back to what it was? I tried to change it using the /PASSWORD=3D under AUTHORIZE but then when I tr= y to login it informs me my password has expired and when I try to supply a n= ew one, it tells me authentication failed and no more methods available. Also I had previously given this an IP alias, which disappeared with the= outage, is not following TCPIP> IFCONFIG IE0 ALIAS 10.0.0.15 persistent? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:35:25 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Password change, IP alias Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Tom Linden wrote: > I tried to change it using the /PASSWORD= under AUTHORIZE but then > when I try to login it informs me my password has expired Did you use /NOPWDEXPIRED? > and when I try to supply a new one, it tells me authentication > failed and no more methods available. I don't know anything about this. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:55:22 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Password change, IP alias Message-ID: On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:35:25 -0700, Rob Brown wrot= e: > On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Tom Linden wrote: > >> I tried to change it using the /PASSWORD=3D under AUTHORIZE but then = when = >> I try to login it informs me my password has expired > > Did you use /NOPWDEXPIRED? I did and that fixed it. > >> and when I try to supply a new one, it tells me authentication failed= = >> and no more methods available. > > I don't know anything about this. > > -- = Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:17:34 GMT From: Doc Subject: Ping Sue Message-ID: This is not related to OpenVMS, but to HP. I have a potential problem with a partner of HP and I'd like to know who I complain to. The partner is Redcorp SA/NV, a Belgium-based company. The part I was looking to get is a power cable for an HP laptop, a part that is designed so that HP can suck money out of you (said cable cost me over 30 Euros so far and I don't have it). My first attempt to purchase this cable from Redcorp was using my status as a self employed person - they won't sell to the general public. In order to use payment by credit card I was required to fax or email a copy of my identity card and credit card to them. This I found not too acceptable, and my attempt to buy was thwarted because they wanted a copy of the *back* of the credit card as well. This is unacceptable, they should get a proper merchant's account and process credit cards online. Second I attempted to order the cable via the company of my partner and I. I placed the order and was requested to make a wire payment with a specific reference. I did so, and expected the goods. Now, having chased this up, their delivery company claims to have delivered this stupid cable on the 16th of last month. I even have a copy of the delivery receipt. Problem is, the signature isn't mine, and the name box looks like it was filled in by a four year old - i.e. it is illegible. If I don't get a satisfactory resolution to this who in HP do I complain to about how their partners treat customers? Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 2007 20:29:11 -0700 From: "Sue" Subject: Re: Ping Sue Message-ID: <1175570951.383038.82580@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 2, 4:17 pm, Doc wrote: > This is not related to OpenVMS, but to HP. I have a potential problem > with a partner of HP and I'd like to know who I complain to. > > The partner is Redcorp SA/NV, a Belgium-based company. The part I was > looking to get is a power cable for an HP laptop, a part that is designed > so that HP can suck money out of you (said cable cost me over 30 Euros so > far and I don't have it). > > My first attempt to purchase this cable from Redcorp was using my status > as a self employed person - they won't sell to the general public. In > order to use payment by credit card I was required to fax or email a copy > of my identity card and credit card to them. This I found not too > acceptable, and my attempt to buy was thwarted because they wanted a copy > of the *back* of the credit card as well. This is unacceptable, they > should get a proper merchant's account and process credit cards online. > > Second I attempted to order the cable via the company of my partner and > I. I placed the order and was requested to make a wire payment with a > specific reference. I did so, and expected the goods. Now, having > chased this up, their delivery company claims to have delivered this > stupid cable on the 16th of last month. I even have a copy of the > delivery receipt. > > Problem is, the signature isn't mine, and the name box looks like it was > filled in by a four year old - i.e. it is illegible. > > If I don't get a satisfactory resolution to this who in HP do I complain > to about how their partners treat customers? > > Doc. I have seen this and will forward to some folks I know in Europe please send me your contact information. Thanks, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:56:21 -0400 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: Purveyor and Auth DLL Message-ID: <461151D5.60904@comcast.net> Hal Kuff wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone volunteer about 10 mins on the phone to go over how to link > in the dll so we can use the authenticate model? If so can you send a > contact number to kuff at tessco dot com , or perhaps sumamrize it here > would be great as well. I hear Mr. Maniotes used to be the community guru > but we do not have current info on him. > > --HK > > Anyone who wants to reply to Hal by e-Mail should make the obvious correction to his e-Mail address! Hal, you might want to make the obvious correction yourself if you did not mangle it on purpose. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:05:35 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Should DECW X server release memory ? Message-ID: FredK wrote: > Yup. You got it. This is typical of most applications. As they need more > "pool" they expand the virtual address space. Releasing the pool doesn't > cause garbage collection or virtual address space trimming... but who > cares? It's just virtual memory. When the X server needs to create data structures that end up filling its virtual space (eg: pgfilquota), a LOT of pages will be mapped to the page file. (I gave the X server roughly half of the page file). Once it no longer needs those structures, is it correct to state that page file blocks remain allocated to the X-server ? I am thinking of cases where the page file might be fragmented. Does this mean that once the X-server has taken up all of its authorized pagefile quota, the pages will remain allocated to the X-server forevere even if they are badly fragmented ? Or does the X-server flag those pages as no longer being needed and the virtual page count becomes truly virtual with a whole bunch of pages mapped to neither memory nor the page file ? (hence freeing the page file and new pages will be reallocated from a fresh set of hopefully less fragmented areas of the page file ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:34:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Should DECW X server release memory ? Message-ID: <5d2e4$46119308$cef8887a$32443@TEKSAVVY.COM> FredK wrote: > Virtual Memory 101. No, there is no way to tell the system that the pages > are no longer needed without deleting the virtual address space. That is what I thought. > With > heap/pool storage, the problem is that random things are in random places. > You would need to be able to do some form of garbage collection and > compaction. When an application asks the X-server to create a pixmap, the X-server allocates memory for it. Couldn't it deallocate the memory when the application asks the X server to destroy the pixmap (or application breaks connection with the X server) ? Note that I mention this only because Mozilla requires inordinate amounts of resources and has a lot of window creation/deletions. > "Fragmenting" the page file? Well, the file is contiguous. I don't think > that processes need huge runs of contiguous pages inside the page file - but > I am no expert in that area. If a page file is oversubscribed, the system grinds to a halt and two lines are sent to OPA0 before the system becomes inoperative. (somethig like "page File badly fragmented, attempting to continue". So because the X server doesn't release memory that had been required by Mozilla, a lot of the page file remains allocated to the X server process and this may slow down other processes when they need to page. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 2007 20:37:50 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Switching off MULTITHREAD Message-ID: <4611699e$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , Dave Froble writes: >Choose one: > >1) working and "inadvisable and unsupported" > >2) not working and "advisable and supported" 2) "Used to not work on Multiprocessorsystems" and "advisable and supported" AFAIK&IIRC V5.1 had the problem already. We switched to a single processor system *just for the MQ* years ago (as MQ didn't work on Wildfire/Marvels). I heard, MQ was fixed already, but we didn't (test and) migrate MQ back to the SMP system since then... YMMV -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:36:41 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Switching off MULTITHREAD Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ger_Marsh [mailto:marsh_family@btconnect.com]=20 > Sent: April 2, 2007 2:22 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Switching off MULTITHREAD >=20 >=20 Snip ... >=20 > Thank you, Kerry, but we applied those patches some time ago. >=20 > We have also applied another patch which allegedly cures a problem > when CPU's are upgraded - it's a race condition. The process behaved > exactly the same then - ie sits in HIB state. >=20 Well, minor nit, but the V400 of the MQ patch was only recently released, so just to confirm - you have applied the V400 version of the MQ patch .. Also, I assume this was officially escalated.. Snip ... Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:39:15 +0100 From: Jonathan Casiot Subject: Re: SYSBOOT.EXE not found with MOP boot Message-ID: <46118619$0$8748$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Jonathan Casiot wrote: >> All match, file id is (959,1,0). Just to verify that the boot process >> is reading from VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE I renamed APB.EXE in this directory >> and tried the MOP boot. It failed as expected until I renamed APB.EXE >> back to its correct name. > > There is a significant difference here. APB.EXE is accessed by the boot > node and sent on the ethernet via the MOP protocol. The satellite node > doesn't yet know about a file system. Along with APB.EXE are sent other > parameters such as the root location, and I think its SYSGEN parameters. > > Once APB.EXE is running on the satellite, there is enough logic to > establish an MSCP connection back to the boot node and mount the system > disk and access it. > > One thing you may wish to verify are the OPCOM messages generated for > the MOP request. Consider posibility that the MOP request isn't being > answered by the LANCP you think should answer it. (Perhaps NCP, perhaps > some other node). > > > You may also wish to check the logical for your system disk, mine shows > up as: > > show log disk$freewheel*/full > "DISK$FREEWHEEL" [exec] = "$10$DQA0:" [concealed,terminal] > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > > > Check device name as well the presence/absence of a single colon and the > conceiled, terminal definitions). > > Also, SHOW DEVICE DISK$ALPHASYS /full should show a volume name of > ALPHASYS and not ALPHASYS: (if it does, you would also have a logical > DISK$ALPHASYS: > > > You can also try to modify the LANCP entry to have the actual device > name instead of the logical pointing to the disk. ( $10$DQA0: > instead of DISK$FREEWHEEL: > > Normally, this stuff should work right off the bat. > > Another thing to consider. I was bitten by a feature of my old switch > (part of a netgear router) which worked for the MOP portion but failed > to properly propagate packets for the rest, but the boot process would > just hang without an error message as I recall. Just had another go at fixing this... renamed syscommon.dir in DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS10] to uppercase, SYSCOMMON.DIR, and now vms2 boots! Thanks to all for you suggestions. -- Jonathan [take out the TRASH to reply by e-mail] ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 2007 20:26:18 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK Message-ID: <461166ea@news.langstoeger.at> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >$! TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK >$! When set, SMTP accepts 8BITMIME requests from SMTP clients, >$! preventing the clients from converting the message into a 7-bit >$! format. >$! >$!DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK 1 I thought this is TCPIP$SMTP_8BITMIME_HACK (and UCX$SMTP_8BITMIME_HACK) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.185 ************************