INFO-VAX Mon, 14 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 263 Contents: RE: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: For Sue - HP Proliant Server Problems Re: Movie Promo for HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua on Tuesday, May 22 May 22Ma Re: PRODUCT EXTRACT RELEASE_NOTES /DESTINATION Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Re: Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE and invalid VMS usernames VMS Update Re: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Re: Weekly Boot Camp Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:51:11 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: May 12, 2007 12:29 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > > The question most CIO's have today for vendors today is "when the > > majority of my servers are running at 10 to 20% utilization (and > that's > > being kind since most Wintel servers are running at less than 10%), > why > > would we want to decrease this utilization even further overall?" >=20 >=20 > Adding a VMS server that runs on a different proprietary platform that > is useless to the rest of the world (IA64) doesn't helo because you > can't *really* run windows on it with all the applications. >=20 > You might be able to run Linux on it, but then you have to build all > your executables from open source since so little is distributed with > IA64 executables. >=20 > Now, if VMS ran on the 8086 and itself provided virtualisation, it > could > then host Windows and Linux as applications while running he real apps > on VMS. Remember the relative importance in the big scheme of things from a Cxx perspective: - 60-70% app/db - 20-30% OS (typically App/DB takes advantage of OS things that add value) - 10-20% HW platform Also, the real long term value is App stacking (reduces OS instances + HW + FTE counts) and not just OS stacking with VMware/Zen etc since these reduce HW associated costs only.=20 Hence, while it would likely provide additional base security, even if OpenVMS did provide a virtualization platform for Windows/Linux, for full support, you would still need to license, manage, patch monitor each of the Windows/Linux OS instances. As an example, the current 5-20 *security* patches released each and every month by Microsoft and Red Hat would still need to be applied to each of these OS guests. Regards, Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 2007 18:21:20 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: For Sue - HP Proliant Server Problems Message-ID: <1179105680.310926.193290@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 9, 12:41 pm, "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > Sue, > > Since January, we have been attempting to purchase a RAID 5 subsystem for a > Proliant ML110G4 server. The configuration was to be 3 x 500GB internal > SATA Drives with a E200B Raid controller plus the cables required to connect > them. The first time, the wrong drives were sent with no cables (Case > #3218708870 & 3218583632). HP reluctantly agreed to replace the drives with > the correct drives. The cable that was sent was the wrong cable. Today, we > received "replacement cables", but instead of a single cable that connects > to the E200B controller (part # 411508-B21) with multiple SATA drives (Part > #404469-B21), they were four distinct SATA cables. Note that all purchases, > including the server, have been directly from HP. > > The cables we have received so far are Part #413957-001 (Controller to > multiple drives) and four cables Part #430542-001 (single controller to > single drive). > > In addition, since the server is in a remote site (Tulsa, OK), I asked how > much it would cost to have HP install this subsystem as was told that HP > would not install it - it was user installable. I have no one in Tulsa who > can install or maintain hardware, which is why the server has a 3 year next > business day CarePaq. > > Mike Ober > Sr Systems Engineer, > Wakefield & Associates, Inc. > 303-537-2900 x6715 > mailto:m...@wakeassoc.com Mike did you see my email? Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:24:01 -0400 From: Glenn Everhart Subject: Re: Movie Promo for HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua on Tuesday, May 22 May 22Ma Message-ID: <464757C1.7010304@gce.com> FredK wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message > news:46448CFD.2040202@comcast.net... >>> Think E.E. "Doc" Smith who wrote the Lensman novels (heck, which were >>> ancient when I read them in paperbacks when I was a kid) and who George >>> Lucas credits with influencing him as a kid. >>> >> Hey Junior! I was a kid when the Lensman series was published! I didn't >> have the ~$4.95 each that they cost. I subsequently read them in >> paperback in the 60's and then purchased the Fantasy Press Editions (used) >> a few years later. >> > > Hey pops! The original pulp sci-fi! They were written in the 30's and 40's > but didn't make it into paperbacks until the late 40s and mid 50s. The > first story was actually in Amazing Stories in January 1934! I'm assuming > you aren't *that* old ;-) > > I borrowed the paperbacks to read from my dad sometime in the late 60's when > I was a young teen. > > > > That's right; the Lensman series followed up the Skylark series, was and is still pretty entertaining light reading. Doc Smith, unlike many other writers, does populate his universe with many well-described nonhuman species which are quite different from us and would pretty well require computer generation to picture. Thus until recently it would have been very hard to do a film of his stuff with the usual human-in-rubber-suit alien implementation. Some of his stuff (consider the 4th dimension material in Skylark of Valeron) would still be hard. A better movie might be Forbidden Planet. What happened to the Krel therein makes an interesting commentary for those who build gadgets without caring about the unintended consequences they might have. On a large screen, too, it was a pretty entertaining show - much more so than on a TV. I had the advantage of seeing it as a kid though, and was probably more impressionable then than now... ;-) Glenn Everhart ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 2007 20:51:25 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: PRODUCT EXTRACT RELEASE_NOTES /DESTINATION Message-ID: <46477a4d$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <464728ef$0$20101$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>, "Jilly" writes: >/DESTINATION is used when installing a product. Thanks for reporting this >issue, it will be officially reported to the patch maintainers. This was reported more than once in the past. (At least once by me). I hope this now leads finally to a fix... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:11:14 -0400 From: Glenn Everhart Subject: Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Message-ID: <464754C2.1020202@gce.com> Robert Jarratt wrote: > I have some very old tapes that a friendly HP person loaded on to a CD for > me a few years ago. I have finally got round to putting VMS on a SIMH > simulated Vax and I am now trying to recover the data. The CD has some BCK > files on it which I think are the raw backup savesets (created around1985), > BACKUP in OpenVMS 7.3 says that these files are not savesets, but I am sure > they are. I have opened the files in a binary editor and found the following > strings near the start of the file: > > ROB.BCK'BACKUP/REW [...]*.*.* MS:ROB.BCK/VERIFY RJ_SAGE ,àZ > /zZV3.5 > 9 _MSA0: V3.5 > > Which definitely suggest this is a backup save set (possibly written by VMS > 3.5?). I have some text files that are also on the CD but seem to be quite > garbled (although not completely) and some executables which still run, so I > am not sure exactly what this says about the process that was used to > recover the data. > > So my question is: can anyone tell me how I might try to read the saveset? > > I would also be very interested in any description of the saveset format so > I can check with my binary editor and perhaps write a program to repair the > saveset if necessary. Does anyone have any pointers to information of this > sort? > > Thanks > > Check the file attributes. If the record length does not match what the backup saveset was created with, backup will not recognize it. A utility or command to reset record length can fix this; notably Joe Meadows' old FILE utility (see sigtapes c. 1990) will do the job. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:38:25 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE and invalid VMS usernames Message-ID: Phillip Helbig wrote: > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: >> And the problem could be workarounded by using a image file of ECO5 i= nstead. > > Which file is that? Are there other differences besides avoiding the > problem when using the file from ECO 5? See http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=3D1= 057983 cu, Martin -- = One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martin= v/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 2007 18:24:36 -0700 From: Sue Subject: VMS Update Message-ID: <1179105876.925713.77990@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Dear Newsgroup, Enclosed please find the Update I sent out this week to my email distribution lists. Keep in mind that the urls wrap kind of odd. In case I have not mentioned it recently I really value you. sue -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan [mailto:susan.skonetski@HP.COM] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 9:26 AM To: VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG Subject: OpenVMS Update - May 10 - Ok for External Dear Distribution lists, Here is the latest copy of the VMS Update and here is my usual disclaimer that this is not an official newsletter. However it does prevent numerous emails to you. Best Regards, Sue TOC Sue's Favs Personal Research Boot Camp Info Technical Journal Articles Due May 15 HP Renew program New Audio cast New White Paper Museums >From VMS Engineering OpenVMS Technical Update Days in Australia and Singapore More OpenVMS iCAP success: little piece of code to try >From our Partners Oracle PointSecure CA Quintara Process User Groups Canada Germany US In the Press Sue's Fav's Personal Research - I am trying to find a customer that has been on VMS for the longest amount of time. Please let me know when you started using VMS. There are 26 remaining seats for the boot camp http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html The OpenVMS Partners Roundhouse at he Boot Camp is now full. Steve Lieman designed a Performance Track from available sessions at the bootcamp here is his note - Here's what I promised. It's a word doc that has an abbreviated bootcamp agenda that just shows performance sessions or sessions with likely significant performance content. at the bottom, it contains links back to the official bootcamp web site. the link is here: http://trendsthatmatter.com/downloads/docs/vms-bootcamp-07-performance-t rack.doc OpenVMS Technical Journal Articles are due May 15th http://h40046.www4.hp.com/ HP Renew program Please make sure that you stop by www.openvms.org and list to the VMS Audio casts, and from what I have heard from the Audio team V9 should be there in a day or two. your feedback makes a huge difference. After all this is why we do things. In case you missed it there is a new TechWise white paper "Quantifying the Total Cost of Upgrading HP OpenVMS Alpha Server Systems to OpenVMS on HP Integrity Servers". http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/OpenVMS_TCU_2007.pdf Thanks to our friends at OpenVMS.org for the following http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/05/07/3600945 The UK National Museum of Computing is being setup in one of the buildings in Bletchley Park. Apart from the world's first digital computers, the Colossus machines, their computer conservation workshop are working on a PDP11/70, an original PDP8, a Prime Mini-computer and an IBM RT system with very advanced graphics. Speaking of Computing Museums Bernd Ulman who has a computing museum in Germany will be at the boot camp. http://www.vaxman.de/museum/museum.html ---------------------- >From VMS Engineering "We just concluded our OpenVMS Asia / Australia Technical Update Days (TUD) and are very excited about the results! The three locations were Singapore, Sydney and Melbourne Australia in this order. The interest shown by the customers all locations was outstanding. The OpenVMS engineer participants were Chris Brown (UK), Matt Muggeridge (Australia), Mandar Chitale (India), Prashanth K E (India), and myself (USA) - a well rounded team in both technical skills and geographical diversity. We were able to dynamically change the presentations in order to meet expectations of the audience and they seemed to appreciate this. In both Sydney and Melbourne, we held a porting workshop. Rob O'Meley had the systems setup and software loaded; he did an outstanding job! We had at least 6 solutions completely ported consisting of millions of lines of code and very few, if any, code needing to be changed. The promise of "recompile, re-link, run" was seen first hand by these customers. It was a long time in planning and a long time to be away from the office and home but the results and the personal contacts made were well worth it. John Egolf, OpenVMS Nashua NH" ------------------------------- More OpenVMS iCAP success: OpenVMS Instant Capacity (iCAP) is gaining momentum with two more wins in as many weeks. The largest at a University, involves two Superdomes, shared with HP-UX in separate hard partitions (nPars), with no less than 46 iCAP Cores between them. The other deal is with an insurance company. First OpenVMS Pay-per-use win: OpenVMS also notched up its first leased Pay-per-use (PPU) win on a large cell-based system shared with HP-UX. PPU ensure customers only pay for the leased CPU resources actually consumed at any time over the 24 hour day. Dave Holt, OpenVMS Business Management ---------------------------------- This is good ss $ exit %xb70 -------------------------------- >From our Partners Oracle - The latest update for Oracle 9i (9.2.0.8) is now available for OpenVMS Alpha. Oracle - 10gR2 has been certified on OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 and V8.3 and OpenVMS Integrity V8.2-1 and V8.3. Download PointSecure's FREE OpenVMS Patch Analyzer ensure your systems are up to date with the latest patches from OpenVMS engineering. Download Now! http://www.pointsecure.com/products/patch_anl.asp ------------------------ CA is pleased to announce the availability of the beta version of CA (Unicenter(r)) System Watchdog for OpenVMS I64. This beta version will support HP Integrity Servers running OpenVMS 8.3 and 8.2-1. We currently have room for up to two more beta sites and we will be closing the beta registration soon. If you are interested in participating, please click on the link below in order to access the CA Corporate Beta program enrollment website: http://supportconnectw.ca.com/public/beta/swvms25/swvms25beta.asp If you need more information please contact Bob Puishys (bob.puishys@ca.com) Quintara - Quintara Update - 9 May 2007 HP Business Partner Brilliant Systems is pleased to announce general availability of Quintara V1.6 web-based e-mail and personal productivity software for OpenVMS. Version 1.6 is now shipping for Integrity and AlphaServer platforms. Version 1.6 includes the new features announced in January 2007 including notebook, mailing lists, personal file share, and junk filter enhancements including DNSBl support. Stop by https://trysecureserver.com or https://tryquintara.com for more information. Also in the Brilliant pipeline for 2007: - Quintara V1.7 - continued enhancements to the established Quintara interface - Quintara SMTP - development of an all-new SMTP server for OpenVMS, compatible with popular TCP/IP transports on OpenVMS - Quintara POP - a specialized POP3 server for OpenVMS, tightly integrated with Quintara. - VoIP services OpenVMS - preliminary investigation has begun for offering a VoIP connectivity server for OpenVMS. Customers are invited to participate in Brilliant development projects by forwarding their needs and suggestions to comments@trysecureserver.com or by calling Brilliant at (888) 456-0400. Process Software - MultiNet TCP/IP Stack v5.2 is now available. This release offers an unprecedented number of new features that focus on security, performance, and advanced functionality. Maintenance customers with the update service will automatically receive a CD and documentation set in the mail in the next several weeks. The new features include: * BIND 9 server supports multiple views (slip DNS), improves security in DNSSEC (signed zones) and TSIG (signed DNS requests), supports IPv6, improves standard conformance for over 25 RFC, and more. * IPSEC upgrade includes a gateway interface for layer 3 tunneling support. When used together with IPSEC, administrators can create a VPN. IKE (or ISAKMP) functionality is also supported. IKE negotiates the IPSec security associations and generates the required key material for IPSec automatically. * IPv6 has been implemented in the kernel; the Telnet, FTP, BIND 9 server, NTP, and SSH applications can use IPv6. It includes support for a six to four interface (RFC 3056), which is a tunneling mechanism where IPv6 packets are encapsulated into IPv4 packets. * NTP v4.2 is a protocol designed to synchronize the clocks of computers over a network. This release replaces DES with MD5 and includes various bug fixes. * SSH has been upgraded and includes a CERTTOOL utility ___________________________________ User Groups Canada - ARLUG Celebration Renews Old Friendships, Bridges New Relationships Members and friends of the Edmonton Area Local Users Group (EARLUG) met at the Alberta Research Council on April 25, 2007 to celebrate 30 years as a Canadian Local Users Group of Digital, Compaq and HP enterprise technology. The day's festivities included an afternoon with management from HP's offices in Alberta, with Glenn Bontje giving a technical session, the presentation of a commemorative certificate to EARLUG from Encompass Canada, and a screening of a short video containing photo images from the Encompass Canada Heritage Archives. The celebration then moved to EARLUG's usual watering hole and meeting place at Brewsters for an evening of great conversation, wrapping up a day of renewing old friendships and building new relationships. For photos and a recap of the event, go to our event recap page at: http://www.encompasscanada.com/events-edm07-eventrecap.htm Germany http://www.decus.de/ I was privileged enough to attend and speak at the German DECUS in Nuremberg during April. There were a large amount of sessions that were offered everything from VMS to Storage. There was also a demo of VMS running on a C-class blade. The German VMS Customers are just wonderful and they are using VMS in very cool ways. US - May 17: Nuts and Bolts of OpenVMS Storage Sneak Peek - Frank Shargo of HP Media Services will be the moderator for the event. NUTS AND BOLTS OF OPENVMS STORAGE On May 17th, John Fisher of HP will present "Nuts and Bolts of OpenVMS Storage." For more information and to register visit: http://www.encompassus.org/events/webcasts/VMSSanStorage.cfm ABSTRACT: Systems, database and storage administrators who support OpenVMS systems in Storage Area Networks will gain a broader knowledge of understanding of the setup and management of OpenVMS supported storage subsystems. They will also review the theory and practice of storage optimization for OpenVMS systems. Finally, these administrators will learn how OpenVMS Storage Best Practices can be used to help implement storage optimization. __________________________________ In the Press http://www.serverwatch.com/hreviews/article.php/3676196 Server Snapshots: HP Integrity rx2660 - another good article by Drew Robb http://www.huliq.com/20315/three-hp-websites-ranked-among-world-s-best-f or-online-support Three HP Websites Ranked Among World's Best for Online Support ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:11:51 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Message-ID: In article <1179070177.111366.123180@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, "vmsmangler@earthlink.net" writes: >Thanks to VAXman and Bob for their helpful replies. Since I am mainly >interested in Mac to Alpha connections I picked up iTerm 0.9.5 Panther >from Sourceforge. I will give it a good try. I'm using "dataComet-Secure" right now, just in case you don't like iTerm ;-) Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:47:53 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Weekly Boot Camp Update Message-ID: Hi, To anyone attending Matt Muggeridge's A151 TCP/IP Update session: - If he hasn't announced IPsec support by the third sentence, could you please ask him what he's doing there and not at the keyboard? Don't get me wrong, failSAFE IP *is* a fantastic product, but how many times can you keep announcing the same piece o' rope? Matt, if you're not directly involved in IPsec then I appologise and feel free to continue to enjoy the international jolly, but if you are then wouln't the time be better spent delivering an already late product, rather than holding the hand of a bunch of nervous nellies? Is HP being too subtle for me in telling us that TCP/IP is once again a mature product in maintenance mode? Are Process Software's engineers really just that much better and more productive? Cheers Richard Maher "Sue" wrote in message news:1179022688.231934.182620@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > Dear Newsgroup, > > Sorry for the delay in getting this to you, only one more. > > sue > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Skonetski, Susan > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:35 PM > To: Skonetski, Susan > Subject: OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp weekly attendance update > - ok for external > > > Dear Distribution lists, > > Well we have 9 days before the Boot Camp and the Seminars start next > week all of which are full. Before I give you the details I just > wanted to say thank you for all your work. The Core Team which is the > team working behind the scenes to pull the Boot Camp off is really an > excellent team and I look forward to you meeting them. They are truly > masters at their crafts. And of course our speakers are preparing a > full feast of technical information for the attendees. > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html > > Lets speak a few minutes about our attendees > > Current registration is 185 with 2 pending seats (we know that they > are registering we are just waiting on some details) so that gives us > 13 available seats. > > Our youngest person is still Tore he is 19 from Norway then we have a > 22 and 23 year old from Germany, I think it might be cool to do some > mentoring what about you? > > Where is everyone from at this Boot Camp. At this point 88 folks are > from outside of the US. There will be people from 22 different > countries which is certainly a nice cross mix. And in the mixture is > just about every vertical segment you can think of. > > See you soon. > Sue > > Austria - 3 > Australia - 1 > Barbados - 1 > Belgium - 2 > Canada - 7 > England - 8 > France - 1 > Germany - 12 > Hungary - 1 > India - 2 > Israel - 1 > Ireland - 1 > Italy - 3 > Lithuania - 2 > Malaysia - 1 > Netherlands - 10 > Norway - 1 > Scotland - 1 > Spain -1 > Sweden - 15 > Switzerland - 3 > > US everyone else > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.263 ************************