INFO-VAX Thu, 12 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 378 Contents: %LICENSE-F-INTERINJ, internal LMF error was encountered Re: Another opportunity Re: DECnet copy question Re: Delete Key? Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement RE: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement RE: EDT Replacement Re: F$FILE() and %SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict FTSO/FASTCopy replacement Re: FTSO/FASTCopy replacement Re: FTSO/FASTCopy replacement HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Re: host based routing software? 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Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port o Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:41:56 +0200 From: "Walter Kuhn" Subject: %LICENSE-F-INTERINJ, internal LMF error was encountered Message-ID: <46961385$0$18449$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Hello Group, we are building a Cluster with 3 Itaniums under OpenVMS 8.3 with the OPENVMS-I64-MCOE license. When we reboot one machine, we get the error %LICENSE-F-INTERINJ, internal LMF error was encountered. Checkpoint 16419 -SYSTEM-F-IVLOCKID, invalid lock ID when issuing the $LIC LOAD command. To make the cluster work again, we have to reboot all machines! Does someone know that problem? We are just making a call for that problem... Regards Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:25:02 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Another opportunity Message-ID: In article <46956071.1020706@cox.net>, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/11/07 16:32, Bob Koehler wrote: > > In article , Fred Bach writes: > >> Yes. 'Beautify' the code yourself. Get rid of all the native > >> indenting, > >> and then create your own indenting. Every IF command increases the > >> indent > >> level by THREE spaces, and every subsequent THEN and ELSE command > >> increments > >> the indent level by a SPACE beyond the level of the previous IF. > > > > Or print it out on a fan-fold printer, lay that out in a long > > hallway, and trace bars down the left side. > > Heh, I had to do that once on a many-hundreds-of-lines-long do-while > loop. God it was messy. I hated the programmer who did that to me. > > > We had a guy who did that so much the juniour programmers named the > > bar traces after him. No hallway involved here, but I once did similar with a COBOL program, and in COBOL you have to follow the periods* as well. I almost convinced myself that there was a bug in the the compiler at one point :-) * Tip: Don't try this with a worn printer ribbon. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:19:18 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DECnet copy question Message-ID: In article <4695811C.2050107@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> In article <4694394A.7060709@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> >>>If a member of a bound volume set crashes, you lose your data. A bound >>>volume set behaves like a single big disk and a file may have pieces on >>>any or all members of the set. >> >> >> That is simply not true. >> > > What have you been smoking? I want some! They were RP06 on 11/780. But they worked better when we didn't release the magic smoke. $ help backup /volume BACKUP /VOLUME /VOLUME=n Command Qualifier Indicates that a specific disk volume in a disk volume set is to be processed. The /VOLUME qualifier is valid only when used with the /IMAGE qualifier. Using this qualifier allows you to perform BACKUP operations on a disk volume set when you have only one disk drive with which to perform BACKUP operations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:40:27 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Delete Key? Message-ID: In article <5fkgq5F3bv13uU1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Fairfield wrote: > P. Sture wrote: > > In article <001b01c7c35e$73ca04f0$5b5e0ed0$@com>, > > "Paul Raulerson" wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Please note that I have rejigged your message to avoid "top posting". > > Interleaving answers with the original post makes for better > > comprehension, particularly for those reading with non-GUI news readers. > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Ken Fairfield wrote: > >>> Remember, EVE means "Easy/Extensible/Efficient VMS Editor". ;-) > >> Ah- I did not know that was what it stood for at all. Interesting. :) > >> > >> Has anyone perhaps adapted it for primay use on a laptop keyboard? > > > > On OS X, I use the iTerm terminal emulator. This successfully mimics the > > numeric keypad on a Mac laptop in conjunction with the Numlock key. It's > > a pain, but it does work. > > > > What I also do is have an eve command file, to make life easier when you > > can't get at certain function keys. At the minimum I tend to have: > > > > DEFINE KEY=CONTROL-D DO > > DEFINE KEY=CONTROL-F FIND > [...] > > Since I have often been in the position of working on a > "foreign" system, or on another user's PC, where I don't > have my TPU section and/or I don't have an LK4xx keyboard, > I found the most valuable key to know is Ctrl/B. I use > Ctrl/B as a "dirty DO". :-) That's neat. I think I've stumbled across that one, but never used it deliberately. Very useful thanks. > For Paul, Ctrl/B is mapped to EVE's RECALL command. It gets > you the last/previous command line (initially, a GET FILE > from starting the editor) which can then be edited at will. > Use Ctrl/X to erase the old command line (without having to > delete the old command character by character, etc.) and > type in whatever new command you want, e.g., FIND or EXIT. > And being consistent, as VMS usually is, Ctrl/B also recalls commands at the DCL prompt, and data inputs within DCL procedures. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:04:37 GMT From: Fujikawa Yamamoto Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: On 11 Jul 2007, Rich Jordan posted some news:1184163280.342678.176190@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > On Jul 10, 9:52 pm, Sue wrote: >> Dear Newsgroup, >> >> Please feel free to share with anyone and everyone. It would be nice >> to see the YouTube version get as many hits as the HP ETV copy. >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=qMCHpUtJnEI >> >> There are over 4,600 views, 8 comments and most of them about VMS. >> >> Warm Regards, >> Sue > > > Sue, > thanks for the heads up. Can you let us know if there's any way > to get a local copy of the video too? That is short of using a fancy > graphics card that lets you videotape/dvdrecord it (which I don't > have)? I'd love to get a copy on DVD. > > Thanks! > http://www.vdownloader.es/ "VDownloader allows you to download videos from Youtube, Google Video, Metacafe, MySpace, DailyMotion, Pornotube, and many other similar sites, saving them in AVI or MPG format." No spyware or other obnoxious critters. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:36:34 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: <6noli.15$Fp7.3@newsfe12.lga> In article , Fujikawa Yamamoto writes: > > >On 11 Jul 2007, Rich Jordan posted some >news:1184163280.342678.176190@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > >> On Jul 10, 9:52 pm, Sue wrote: >>> Dear Newsgroup, >>> >>> Please feel free to share with anyone and everyone. It would be nice >>> to see the YouTube version get as many hits as the HP ETV copy. >>> >>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=qMCHpUtJnEI >>> >>> There are over 4,600 views, 8 comments and most of them about VMS. >>> >>> Warm Regards, >>> Sue >> >> >> Sue, >> thanks for the heads up. Can you let us know if there's any way >> to get a local copy of the video too? That is short of using a fancy >> graphics card that lets you videotape/dvdrecord it (which I don't >> have)? I'd love to get a copy on DVD. >> >> Thanks! >> > >http://www.vdownloader.es/ > >"VDownloader allows you to download videos from Youtube, Google Video, >Metacafe, MySpace, DailyMotion, Pornotube, and many other similar sites, >saving them in AVI or MPG format." I can do it right from Safari and then convert it. It's only Flash. I don't see why you need special software to download it. I've converted it to MPEG-4/H.264 format. If anybody is interested, drop me a line. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:06:23 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: Rich Jordan wrote: > I'd love to get a copy on DVD. I'm told that HP is working to produce DVDs for customers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:30:07 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: <139cengcpsbaf6f@corp.supernews.com> "Keith Parris" wrote in message news:f75cgv$2so$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Rich Jordan wrote: >> I'd love to get a copy on DVD. > > I'm told that HP is working to produce DVDs for customers. They should produce DVDs for non-customers Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:39:32 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <46964b3b$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net> Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. Thanks, Mike Ober. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:42:03 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: "Michael D. Ober" writes: > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. Huh? EDT works well on V8.3 (both Alpha and Itanium). -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:53:02 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <46964e5f$0$10307$815e3792@news.qwest.net> Our log files are too big for it. It didn't like the 42Mb log file I was trying to review. Mike. "Rob Brooks" wrote in message news:tIgRG+AFMZrg@cuebid.zko.hp.com... > "Michael D. Ober" writes: >> Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably >> one >> that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > Huh? EDT works well on V8.3 (both Alpha and Itanium). > > -- > > Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:58:30 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: Michael D. Ober wrote: > Our log files are too big for it. It didn't like the 42Mb log file I was > trying to review. > > Mike. > > "Rob Brooks" wrote in message > news:tIgRG+AFMZrg@cuebid.zko.hp.com... > >>"Michael D. Ober" writes: >> >>>Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably >>>one >>>that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. >> >>Huh? EDT works well on V8.3 (both Alpha and Itanium). >> >>-- >> >>Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com > > > EVE has a SET KEYPAD EDT as does LSE (included in DECset). -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32/COBOL Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 12:00:46 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: "Michael D. Ober" writes: > Our log files are too big for it. It didn't like the 42Mb log file I was > trying to review. Was it the file size, or the record length that was the problem? EDT has a longstanding problem with records in excess of 255. EDIT/TPU, using the built-in EDT keypad, has been a reasonable workaround for me. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:02:21 -0400 From: "Farrell, Michael" Subject: RE: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <8330CD39B64C934DBE63CB6D4CEE37D0117957@NJ103EX2.EAST.VIS.COM> User EVE. Declare the symbol EDI*t as EDIT/TPU $ Edit SET KEYPAD EDT Etc., Place the commands like the one above that you want into a file named EVE$INIT.EVE and place in your SYS$LOGIN: area. Also define these logicals in your LOGIN.COM file so that this works all the time. "EVE$INIT" =3D "SYS$LOGIN:EVE$INIT.EVE" "EVE$KEYPAD" =3D "EDT" Its almost exactly like EDT, but much nicer. -- Split windows, shifting the view to the right and back to the left, etc. As for large file editing, I have edited a 1GB file successfully. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael D. Ober [mailto:obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:40 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: EDT Replacement Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one=20 that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. Thanks, Mike Ober. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:11:23 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: Farrell, Michael wrote: > As for large file editing, I have edited a 1GB file successfully. With TPU, you need to have a pgflquo that can contain the file you are editing (plus the TPU software). TPU reads the whole file in memory when you start it. EDT would only read what you needed for the display. One an all mighty microvax II, this made a big difference for large files. On more recent systems, TPU is far less of a page file hog than Mozilla which requires gigabytes just to display a silly window. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:20:32 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <1184257232.609556.223820@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 12, 10:39 am, "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. Why not use EVE? In EDT mode, it's pretty close to EDT. I use the following commands in my EVE$INIT file to give it an even closer feel: SET KEYPAD EDT SET SCROLL MARGINS 20% 20% SET CURSOR BOUND SET NOWRAP Since EVE loads the entire file (rather than sections, like EDT) a *large* file will take a while to load and be a PITA to work with. For specific large files, or files with mostly non-ascii or non-record format I write special purpose programs to view & edit the data. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:27:41 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <1184257661.828230.68590@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 12, 11:10 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , bro...@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: > > >"Michael D. Ober" writes: > >> Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > >> that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > >Huh? EDT works well on V8.3 (both Alpha and Itanium). > > DON'T TAKE MY EDT AWAY! > Great. Now I'll have Paul Simon's voice in my head all day;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:42:26 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <469659f3$0$10307$815e3792@news.qwest.net> EDT aborted (and crashed my telnet session on our Alpha) during a search. When I get a line length error, EDT doesn't crash my telnet session. Mike. "Rob Brooks" wrote in message news:AoqZCqGCZyCx@cuebid.zko.hp.com... > "Michael D. Ober" writes: >> Our log files are too big for it. It didn't like the 42Mb log file I was >> trying to review. > > Was it the file size, or the record length that was the problem? > > EDT has a longstanding problem with records in excess of 255. > > EDIT/TPU, using the built-in EDT keypad, has been a reasonable workaround > for me. > > -- > > Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:59:58 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article <469659f3$0$10307$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" writes: > EDT aborted (and crashed my telnet session on our Alpha) during a search. > When I get a line length error, EDT doesn't crash my telnet session. > By "crashed" do you mean that EDT left your terminal in a unusable state or do you mean that your telnet session was actually terminated ? If it's the former, that's (sort of) understandable, but I would have expected better from a VMS editor. If it's the latter, than that sounds like a non-fatal bugcheck occured and should be looked at as a this-should-never-happen type bug. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 12:12:30 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <0w3RfGlwIKx6@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <46964b3b$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" writes: > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. Why not use EDT? Or use TPU in EDT keypad mode? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:49:55 -0400 From: "Farrell, Michael" Subject: RE: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <8330CD39B64C934DBE63CB6D4CEE37D0117977@NJ103EX2.EAST.VIS.COM> Agreed, For average sized files on an alpha, the delay is not normally seen. For large files, like what we deal with, it can be a considerably long time, But if you have to, you have to. Thanks for the HELP info below. It reminds me that I have defined CTRL/Z to be the "DO" key, so that I don't write out the results of my session unless I really want them written out. People need to be aware of that also. Mike -----Original Message----- From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:47 PM To: Farrell, Michael Subject: RE: EDT Replacement "Farrell, Michael" wrote on 07/12/2007 12:02:21 PM: > User EVE. Declare the symbol EDI*t as EDIT/TPU > $ Edit > SET KEYPAD EDT > > Etc., > > Place the commands like the one above that you want into a file named > EVE$INIT.EVE and place in your SYS$LOGIN: area. > > Also define these logicals in your LOGIN.COM file so that this works all > the time. > > > "EVE$INIT" =3D "SYS$LOGIN:EVE$INIT.EVE" > "EVE$KEYPAD" =3D "EDT" > > Its almost exactly like EDT, but much nicer. -- Split windows, shifting > the view to the right and back to the left, etc. > > As for large file editing, I have edited a 1GB file successfully. > > Realize that EDT opens the file and reads as you scroll down, while EVE opens and reads the whole file into virtual memory and then shows you the first page, so EVE takes longer to activate on large files, but is more efficient afterwards and needs enough virtual memory to hold the entire file. And as mentioned, EDT is limited to 255 bytes per record and EVE may read a much longer record. You can see the help from EVE this way: $ help/noprompt/libr=3Dsys$help:eve$help EDT_diff EDT_Differences EDT Differences EDT is another Digital text editor which runs on VMS and other systems. Using the SET KEYPAD EDT command enables most of the EDT keypad functions, but does NOT fully implement or emulate EDT. The following is a list of differences between the EDT keypad in EVE and real EDT. For hints on converting from EDT to EVE, see help on EDT Conversion. Keys defined differently from real EDT -------------------------------------- PF1 GOLD. Setting the EDT keypad makes PF1 the GOLD key, overriding any current definition of PF1. However, if you set a different key as GOLD, the EDT keypad uses your GOLD key without redefining PF1. The EDT keypad also defines the EVE default GOLD key sequences, such as GOLD-FIND. See help on Gold Keys. GOLD-PF2 HELP KEYS. Displays a list of all defined keys. KP1 MOVE BY WORD. Uses slightly different word boundaries from real EDT. In EVE, a "word" includes the trailing white space (spaces or tabs). GOLD-KP7 DO. Enters an EVE command. EVE does not support or emulate EDT line-mode or "nokeypad" commands. GOLD-KP8 FILL. Reformats the current paragraph, range, or box. If you want the key to fill only a range or box, redefine GOLD-KP8 as FILL RANGE. Note that EVE paragraph boundaries are different (see help on FILL). ENTER RETURN. Terminates a command or starts a new line. You can redefine ENTER, but cannot redefine RETURN or CTRL/M. CTRL/C Usually halts an operation, such as a repeat or global replace. However, if you are using keystroke journaling (instead of buffer-change journaling), CTRL/C is not recorded in the journal file. After using CTRL/C, you should immediately exit, to save your edits. Otherwise, if the system fails, you may not be able to recover your work. This restriction does not apply with buffer-change journaling, which is the EVE default. CTRL/K LEARN. Starts a learn sequence, so you can bind several keystrokes (commands, text, or both) to a single key. CTRL/R REMEMBER. Ends a learn sequence and prompts you to press the key you want to define for it. CTRL/Z EXIT. Ends the editing session, typically writing out the CTRL/D current buffer and asking whether to write out any other F10 buffers if they were modified. If you want to emulate EDT- style exit-to-line-mode, redefine CTRL/Z as DO. On ULTRIX systems, EVE defines CTRL/D as EXIT. On VMS systems, EVE does not define CTRL/D. F12 EDT Backspace (Start Of Line). CTRL/H BACKSPACE GOLD/0- When using the GOLD key to enter repeat counts, the GOLD/9 CTRL/U key cannot be used to edit the number. Instead, CTRL/U is repeated the number of times in the repeat count. Also, EVE limits repeat counts to 5-digits less than 32767. Other differences from real EDT ------------------------------- Cursor By default EVE uses a free cursor, which you can move anywhere in the buffer regardless of the shape of your text. To enable an EDT-style bound cursor, use SET CURSOR BOUND. The EDT Character key (KP3) uses bound- cursor motion even if the cursor is set to free. Exiting EXIT creates a new file (or new version of a file) only if you made changes to the buffer and have not yet written it out. QUIT discards your edits, but if you made changes to the buffer, EVE asks you to confirm that you want to quit. If you have made no changes to the buffer, EXIT is the same as QUIT. Also, on exiting or quitting, if you changed attributes and have not saved them, EVE asks if you want to save the changes--- see help on Attributes. Input file When you invoke EVE, if you do not specify a file on the command line, EVE creates an empty buffer named MAIN, whereas real EDT prompts you to specify a file. Also, EVE lets you use wildcards to specify the file--- for example, *.TXT. See DCL help on EDIT/TPU or see the EVE Reference Manual Journaling By default, EVE uses buffer-change journaling, which creates a journal file for each text buffer and lets you recover buffers individually and even from different editing sessions. You can use keystroke journaling and recovery, similar to that in EDT. See help on Journal Files. Mode Some commands or keys depend on the mode of the buffer ---insert or overstrike---for example, the EDT Delete Character and EDT SpecIns keys. For a list of these commands and keys, see help on CHANGE MODE. Paste buffer Commands or keys to copy, cut, and paste text use either the INSERT HERE buffer or DECwindows clipboard, depending on your setting---see help on SET CLIPBOARD. Scrolling SET SCROLL MARGINS correspondes to SET CURSOR in real EDT, except EVE scroll margins are measured fronm the top and the bottom respectively. For example, with a 24-line screen (21-line main window), SET SCROLL MARGINS 5 6 is equivalent to SET CURSOR 5:15 in real EDT. Default settings are 0 0 (scrolling begins when you move past the top or bottom of the window). Searches Searches follow EVE rules for case sensitivity and direction (see help on FIND). Because EVE does not treat RETURN and ENTER differently, as EDT does, search strings cannot contain a carriage return. However, you can use WILDCARD FIND for these searches, or use SET FIND WHITESPACE to enable searching across line breaks. Selections Commands or keys that work on a select range or found range also work on a box. For example, you can use BOX SELECT and the EDT ChngCase key. See help on Ranges And Boxes. Shift right SHIFT RIGHT and SHIFT LEFT move the window right and relative to the buffer; whereas the EDT "nokeypad" commands SHL and SHR move the buffer relative to the window. Thus, in EVE, the command SHIFT RIGHT 8 is equivalent to SHL in EDT---column 9 of your text appears in the leftmost column of the screen. Startup file At startup, EVE tries to execute an initialization file named EVE$INIT.EVE, looking first in your current, default directory and then, if necessary, in your SYS$LOGIN directory. This corresonds to using an EDTINI.EDT file with real EDT. For more information, see help on Initialization Files. Features NOT implemented in EVE ------------------------------- o GOLD-key equivalents for control keys. For example, GOLD-U and GOLD-Z are not defined, although CTRL/U and CTRL/Z are defined. o Keys for tab adjustments. To change tab stops, use SET TABS or define a key for the WPS Ruler key. See help on EDT Conversion. =20 +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For a keypad diagram, press HELP or with the EDT keypad, press PF2. | | | | For a list of key definitions, see help on Keys or press GOLD-HELP | | or with the EDT keypad, press GOLD-PF2. | =20 +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ Related topics: EDT Conversion New User Ranges And Boxes SET KEYPAD EDT > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael D. Ober [mailto:obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:40 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: EDT Replacement > > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably > one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:04:47 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: F$FILE() and %SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict Message-ID: <139cd80nh625geb@corp.supernews.com> "Jim" wrote in message news:1184182027.713802.252130@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 11, 2:04 pm, "Syltrem" wrote: >> One simple question: >> >> Why is F$FILE("ABC.DAT","CDT") giving out the error while DIR/DATE >> ABC.DAT >> is not ? >> When the file is opened for writing, that is. >> >> Merci ! > > > Check out this old thread... > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/644f17d121cc3b69/ba33a13c9761603d? > That explains everything Thank you ! Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:42:46 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: FTSO/FASTCopy replacement Message-ID: <1184247766.866589.237690@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> hi, I want restartable file copy from OpenVMS to OpenVMS, with pre/post actions on success/failure and queing system. restartable is not the most important feature. pre/post action and queuing are more important for me. there once were FTSO and FASCopy. what product now can do that ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:51:26 -0000 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: FTSO/FASTCopy replacement Message-ID: <1184248286.666820.284870@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 12, 2:42 pm, Pierre wrote: > hi, > > I want restartable file copy from OpenVMS to OpenVMS, with pre/post > actions on success/failure and queing system. restartable is not the > most important feature. pre/post action and queuing are more important > for me. > > there once were FTSO and FASCopy. what product now can do that ? > > TIA, > Pierre. FTSV and FSTO are on Freeware V7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware70/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:54:55 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: FTSO/FASTCopy replacement Message-ID: <1184248495.250885.218650@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 12, 3:51 pm, IanMiller wrote: > On Jul 12, 2:42 pm, Pierre wrote: > > > hi, > > > I want restartable file copy from OpenVMS to OpenVMS, with pre/post > > actions on success/failure and queing system. restartable is not the > > most important feature. pre/post action and queuing are more important > > for me. > > > there once were FTSO and FASCopy. what product now can do that ? > > > TIA, > > Pierre. > > FTSV and FSTO are on Freeware V7http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware70/ yes. we are currently using FTSO but we exprient some problems with it (for ex. sometimes copy jobq vanish) and would like some more robust and supported product. Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:13:41 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Message-ID: <20070712131341.GA49838@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> from AskHL: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? http://64.223.189.234/node/396 Posted July 3rd, 2007 by Hoff "How about the use of OpenVMS in High Performance computing? A recent question from a scholar on the possibility of using OpenVMS in this area forced me to give the rather embarrasing answer that you're pretty much on your own if you want to explore this on OpenVMS." Good! What could be better for a research project on parallel or distributed computing on VMS.. That means anything we can do in this area will be publishable. best regards anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:41:04 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Message-ID: <1184247664.432846.272300@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 12, 8:13 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > from AskHL: High-performance Interconnects, MPI?http://64.223.189.234/node/396 > > Posted July 3rd, 2007 by Hoff > > "How about the use of OpenVMS in High Performance computing? A recent > question from a scholar on the possibility of using OpenVMS in this > area forced me to give the rather embarrasing answer that you're pretty > much on your own if you want to explore this on OpenVMS." > > Good! What could be better for a research project on parallel or > distributed computing on VMS.. That means anything we can do in this area > will be publishable. > > best regards > anton > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 Anton, An interesting idea. The challenge is, as always, to seamlessly integrate new (and somewhat different concepts) into the existing architectural base while leveraging the strengths and concepts of OpenVMS. Put in other words, the high performance interconnect should not be conceptually integrated. It is likely possible, and it is certainly an interesting problem. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:52:01 -0700 From: David Mathog Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Message-ID: Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > from AskHL: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? http://64.223.189.234/node/396 > > Posted July 3rd, 2007 by Hoff > > "How about the use of OpenVMS in High Performance computing? A recent > question from a scholar on the possibility of using OpenVMS in this > area forced me to give the rather embarrasing answer that you're pretty > much on your own if you want to explore this on OpenVMS." > > Good! What could be better for a research project on parallel or > distributed computing on VMS.. That means anything we can do in this area > will be publishable. Unless things have changed greatly in the last few releases of VMS, which I doubt, then I addressed many of these issues years ago in a series of posts about IO on VMS. In a nutshell, VMS is very much concerned with data integrity, and so it goes to great lengths to see that the data actually hits the disk. This causes an immense hit in IO performance compared to the default situation on Unix/Linux/Windows/(every other OS more or less) where the default is to use a lot of memory caching and let the data hit the disk eventually, whenever convenient, if then! Even if disk caching is enabled VMS is still at a disadvantage because of RMS overhead, which all by itself accounted for about a factor of 3 slow down of VMS compared to linux. This was all carried out on DS10 boxes, google to find the posts. So, the bottom line is, VMS is actually not very well suited for High Performance computing for scientific and engineering applications, where speed is everything, and data integrity is usually not that much of a concern. Ie, if the system does happen to crash during a run the job is just restarted, and nobody is out millions of dollars in lost transactions. It would probably be possible to write some sort of high performance subsystem for VMS, but it would need to bypass RMS, and by the time you've done that, why bother using VMS? Now VMS may have a place in "High Performance Transaction computing", which would be some sort of distributed billing or other record keeping system, but that seems to be pretty much where VMS clustering is right now. Regards, David Mathog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:52:05 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: host based routing software? Message-ID: <20070712125205.GA49721@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > >Product Producer Units Avail Activ Version Release > >Termination > >DVNETEND DEC 0 0 100 0.0 31-AUG-2007 > >31-AUG-2007 > >DVNETEXT DEC 0 0 100 0.0 31-AUG-2007 > >31-AUG-2007 > > You have cluster alias capabilities. Not DECnet routing. Well, this is all I want for now. > I did ask for the routing PAK as part of the hobbyist program and > AFAIK that addition to the program was cleared -- haven't checked the > list of PAKs to see if the DVNETRTG PAK was then added to the Hobbyist > PAK collection. (I'm assuming you're either Edu or Hobbyist here, as > most commercial sites would have one of DVNETEND, DVNETEXT or DVNETRTG, > and not a combination of these licenses.) Yes, I have Edu license, and it does not include DVNETRTG: [...] DVNETEND DVNETEXT DW-MOTIF [...] (from http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvmsedu/prodlist.html) > Details on finding which PAKs are checked by a product are listed in > the OpenVMS FAQ (there's a logical name LMF$DISPLAY_OPCOM_MESSAGE), and > there are introductory materials for LMF (including the logical name) > posted at the new HoffmanLabs site. http://64.223.189.234/node/118 thanks, I'll look at this as well. > > > >%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 21-JUN-2007 11:59:24.00 %%%%%%%%%%% > >Message from user SYSTEM on DS10L > >Event: Carrier Check Failure from: Node LOCAL:.ZEEV CSMA-CD Station > >CSMACD-1, > > at: 2007-06-21-11:59:24.006+00:00Iinf > > eventUid DA56ABBE-1FEE-11DC-A12A-08002B874231 > > entityUid 94BD88F8-19AE-11DC-83C5-AA0004000104 > > streamUid 9851998B-19AE-11DC-846E-AA0004000104 > > > >Perhaps I made some errors in SYS$MANAGER:ISIS$CONFIGURE.COM. I think > >CSMACD-1 was defined there. > > That carrier check error usually a cabling error, a bad or mis-set > transceiver, or a network short or network disconnection. > > Can't say I've seen a configuration-level error trigger this (well, > barring cases where there are multiple NICs and less than all of them > are connected, and when one that's not connected to the LAN is lit up > for use), but I don't know what was changed in your environment. I think that is exactly what was happening - of 2 Ethernet ports on ds10l I only used one, but configured both. When I connected the other one to the switch,this error disappeared. thanks a lot for a very detailed reply, much appreciated. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:46:45 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: In article <139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: >Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a >commerical environment we would love to hear from you. Ok, we have one system running here. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:29:22 GMT From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea of > how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > So far we have 6 running OpenVMS and 3 running SUSE Linux. I expect the rest of the production systems (3) to be gone by year end. Jeff Coffield ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:42:29 -0400 From: "Doug Kimball" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: We have two running here. -- Doug Kimball Manager, Sales and Support Software Partners, Inc. 978-887-6409 tech_support@softwarepartners.com www.softwarepartners.com "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in message news:139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com... > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea > of how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:45:24 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: In article , "Jeffrey H. Coffield" writes: > > >David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >> Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a >> commerical environment we would love to hear from you. >> >> We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea of >> how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS >> >> >So far we have 6 running OpenVMS and 3 running SUSE Linux. I expect the >rest of the production systems (3) to be gone by year end. So you won't be doing any production at the end of the year? What do use the 9 Itanium boxes for? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:12:39 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: <139cdmo86v7gb88@corp.supernews.com> "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in message news:139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com... > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea > of how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp We have 1 here since March. It was added to our 2 Alpha cluster Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:56:01 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: <46964102$1@flight> David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > I have one that will be in production shortly as an Oracle server, and three more that will go into production as application servers in the next year or so ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:03:04 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: <1184252584.330892.181940@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 12, 7:40 am, "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea of > how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dtur...@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W:http://www.islandco.com > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dtur...@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W:http://www.islandco.com One in use here, but just starting. We have two customers looking at moving on from Alpha so we needed it here to be ready for them. We also want to try some of the newer tools (like netbeans) which our Alpha is too strained to support well. We still need to decide if we're going to leave it standalone and keep the Alphaserver and the MicroVAX clustered, or if we de-cluster the VAX and cluster the itanium. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:36:01 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: So at what price would it be worth buying something like a Quad CPU ES45 with Unlimited VMS versus an Itanium? David "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in message news:139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com... > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea > of how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:36:18 +0200 From: "Walter Kuhn" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: <46964a75$0$8120$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> 3 in the development cluster 1 stand alone for development 1 stand alone for support 1 stand alone already shipped to customer 3-machine cluster to be shipped to customer in august Walter "David Turner, Island Computers" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com... > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea > of how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:55:22 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an > idea of how many users are transitioning or will transition to > Itanium VMS Maybe additional parts to your question ought to be: a) What percentage of your production VMS environment (# of systems) do the Itanic boxes represent? ie. 25% (1 of 4 installed systems) b) What percentage of your UAT environment do Itanic boxes represent? c) What percentage of your development environment do Itanic boxes represent? d) At what rate do you expect to add Itanic boxes (#/year, or 33% more per year, etc....) e) When do expect to phase out Vax/Alpha systems you currently own? > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com -- OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:06:18 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: ok that works answer that if you can, y'all ! ;0) dt "John Smith" wrote in message news:f2cd$469616aa$cef89807$3121@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free... > David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >> Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a >> commerical environment we would love to hear from you. >> >> We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an >> idea of how many users are transitioning or will transition to >> Itanium VMS > > Maybe additional parts to your question ought to be: > > a) What percentage of your production VMS environment (# of systems) do > the > Itanic boxes represent? ie. 25% (1 of 4 installed systems) > > b) What percentage of your UAT environment do Itanic boxes represent? > > c) What percentage of your development environment do Itanic boxes > represent? > > d) At what rate do you expect to add Itanic boxes (#/year, or 33% more per > year, etc....) > > e) When do expect to phase out Vax/Alpha systems you currently own? > > > >> >> >> -- >> David B Turner >> Island Computers US Corp >> 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 >> Savannah GA 31404 >> >> T: 877-6364332 x201 >> Intl: 001 912 447 6622 >> >> E: dturner@islandco.com >> F: 912 201 0402 >> W: http://www.islandco.com > > -- > OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV > base. > > ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 19:26:41 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: <46968071$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: >Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a >commerical environment we would love to hear from you. Neither in the company nor at home. If I find a cheap one (I missed a rx2600 ;-), I'll bite (private)... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:48:01 -0400 From: "John Vottero" Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in message news:139c8af6niont94@news.supernews.com... > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea > of how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > We have two here. We still have Alphas and VAXen too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:32:06 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: Hi Kerry, > One thing I have always liked about OpenVMS is that on logon, > it states when you last logged on - both interactively and via [non-inter]. > At least that is one way which can be used to flag the user that > someone else may have access their account. Now imagine that after clicking on a web page and enetering your VMS credentials you could be presented with that very same information (including login failures since last successful login) - Now that'd be bloody useful! *Well wouldn't it?* If only there was some middleware out there that let you do this. . . Cheers Richard Maher "Main, Kerry" wrote in message news:C72D63EB292C9E49AED23F705C61957BD0BEE22AB5@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.net... > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] > On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: July 10, 2007 3:00 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? > > In article <1184091535.554932.208470@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, > AEF writes: > > On Jul 10, 9:08 am, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article <469386D0.6020...@comcast.net>, > >> "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >> > >> > Bob Koehler wrote: > >> >> In article <5fg3tpF3d7h8...@mid.individual.net>, > b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >> > >> >>>The most common program running on any VMS terminal in any > >> >>>of those rooms was the trojan-horse password grabber. > >> > >> >> Fixed in VMS 3.0. Can Windows say the same? > >> > >> > ISTR the "trojan horse password grabber" being a problem long > after > >> > V3.0. I believe that "pressing the break key" was added at > V4.something. > >> > >> Yes, but it relies on the user knowing that. I doubt most would > today but > >> they certainly wouldn't have back then. > > > > I did. Everyone in my group knew. We were told that's how to log > in. > Security = People + Process + Technology Leaving a program running to grab passwords is a People / Process issue - not a technology issue. Same issue exists for any OS platform. User passwords can be obtained from a number of different ways e.g. network sniffing, password grabbers, cameras etc. Various technologies like break key, Ctrl-Alt-Del, multi-factor and/or biometric devices (access cards etc) can be used to mitigate these incidents from happening. This issue is not specific to OpenVMS. One thing I have always liked about OpenVMS is that on logon, it states when you last logged on - both interactively and via batch. At least that is one way which can be used to flag the user that someone else may have access their account. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:17:10 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: In article <1184191252.652185.181400@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: > > BTW, the break key got me a few "the computer keeps crashing" calls > when the console was set to go to >>> on break and/or when the console > terminal was turned off (don't remember which machines --- DEC > installed the systems and they seemed to like that console setting --- > maybe PDP's or early Alpha?) Consoles should not be accessable to folks who are not properly trained. That's why we have locks on our computer room doors. Also keeps out those who are trained, but not authorised. They probably know how to do the things you don't want them to do, they may even be capable of reading FAQs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:56:43 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , Rob Brown writes: >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> >>> In article , Rob Brown writes: > >>>> I don't see any protection against that if the potential victim >>>> does not avoid the trap. >>> >>> That is what SET TERMINAL/PERMANENT/SECURE_SERVER is about. >> >> That merely give the potential victim a means to avoid the trap, but >> does not enforce it. > > So long as you don't have /AUTOBAUD, BREAK is the only way for the > user to get a Username prompt. No it's not. My password grabber presents a Username prompt. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:22:41 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <5fl4cgF3cphmsU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> >> People who write that kind of bigoted crap ought to be drafted. > > Sorry, a little late for that. I have been in the Army since 1968 and I > was never drafted. Are your still there? Please stay. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:55:45 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <$ppMxrFkHlRD@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <5fl9phF3cdmnbU2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <1184196830.456916.24640@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > Doug Phillips writes: >> >> I thought it was interesting that in one of the experiments all but >> one chimp exhibited altruism --- a relative of yours maybe? (I hope >> you know I'm just kidding;-))) > > Are you referig perhaps to Jane Goodall's research? Sadly, research > into gorilla behavior was quite different and finally shot down the > myth that only man killed indiscriminately and without a reason. But > then, maybe both are wrong as we also have learned that merely observing > changes behavior. :-) Will you ever venture near reality? Gorillas are not chimps. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 14:29:01 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <5fms5dF38cjs1U1@mid.individual.net> In article <$ppMxrFkHlRD@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <5fl9phF3cdmnbU2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> In article <1184196830.456916.24640@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, >> Doug Phillips writes: >>> >>> I thought it was interesting that in one of the experiments all but >>> one chimp exhibited altruism --- a relative of yours maybe? (I hope >>> you know I'm just kidding;-))) >> >> Are you referig perhaps to Jane Goodall's research? Sadly, research >> into gorilla behavior was quite different and finally shot down the >> myth that only man killed indiscriminately and without a reason. But >> then, maybe both are wrong as we also have learned that merely observing >> changes behavior. :-) > > Will you ever venture near reality? Gorillas are not chimps. I know they're not. They are however primates. And if you are going to compare man to a lower order primate in order to draw conclusions about man why limit yourself to just the ones that exhibit the behavior you wanted? Isn't that like hand-picking your sampling in statistics? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 14:30:33 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <5fms88F38cjs1U2@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <5fl4cgF3cphmsU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>> >>> People who write that kind of bigoted crap ought to be drafted. >> >> Sorry, a little late for that. I have been in the Army since 1968 and I >> was never drafted. > > Are your still there? Please stay. Yes I am. What's your point? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:18:23 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: <6f0b7$4696544e$cef89807$5483@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free> JF Mezei wrote: > Keith Parris wrote: >> I asked about a press release, and the answer was: This is an >> advertising campaign. You don't send out press releases to announce >> advertising campaigns. > > Ex-squeeze me ???? > > Thus Sunday, Boeing will hold a little shing ding in Seattle to unveil > the first prototype of its new 787 carbon-fibre aircraft. > > Press releases galore, including which satellite/cable providers > around the world will pickup the show. > > If VMS were not mentioned in the video, I'd bet HP would have sent > out a press release announcing the availability of this video on the > HP web site, youtube etc, as well as pointing media to some HP > resource that provide them broadcast quality video. > > If VMS were not prohibited from sending our press releases, it could > have/should have sent one out stating that in a recent test, it was > VMS that came back first and that it is VMS that has world leading > clustering and disaster tolerance , the best of the best and that > people go go to http://www.hp.com/go/vms/disasterproof where they > would be presented with a link to the video, a link to that PDF > document that provides more information about it, and some text from > you explaining how the VMS system was setup and explaining what > happens when the remove node disapears. > > It is called initiative. And until Hurd removes the lead bullets and > chains from VMS management, all those possible marketing opportunities > will continue to be lost. JF, you know HP can't do that: - they would offend Microsoft, whose products they sell. - they would offend the PH-UX unit - they would offend the NonStop unit HP should have also blown up current Solaris and AIX configurations -configured as fairly as any of the others - as part of the demo. Maybe even a zOS config too. Keith.... does HP have any extra C4 to do this? -- OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:53:04 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: OpenVMS - When downtime is not an option Message-ID: AEF wrote: > On Jul 5, 8:08 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: >> In article >> <94OdnXychoolWRfbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@metrocastcablevision.com>, Bill >> Todd writes: >> >>> I have no doubt that there is pressure to *ship with* known bugs >>> rather than take the time to eliminate them. I'm less convinced >>> that they create them deliberately in order to make the next >>> release more attractive - especially given the typical delay before >>> a next release appears (during which the currently-selling product >>> would be *less* attractive), and the fact that they actually >>> attempt to fix bugs on the fly rather than just say "Fixed in next >>> release". >> >> The pressure to include bugs is not of the form "you must include >> bugs", it's the business model. >> >> Microsoft's business model assumes that the only real competition >> they get is from their own products. This year's sales don't >> depend so much on beating thier competitors as it depends on >> beating the product they sold last year. (Most of thier >> potential customers are running the last thing Microsoft >> shipped). This means new features and fewer bugs. While other >> software vendors will put guarrantees > > While they do add new features, I question the "fewer bugs" part. At > work we switched from Outlock 2000 to Outlock 2003 a while ago (I > switched later than the others as I didn't like the new version and > only got it when I had to get a new PC to replace my (more than usual) > troublesome old PC) and often I wish I could "upgrade" back to the > 2000 version. However, the name completion feature for the To and CC > fields is very cool. And the new feature telling me that the client is > attempting to read data from Exchange at least ostenibly tells me why > it's hanging or "not responding", which it does just as often as the > old version, if not more. > >> on thier features and ship bug fixes for free, Microsoft does not >> put guarrantees on thier products and ships limited bug fixes, but >> they'll sell you a new version with bug fixes next year. >> >> The pressure is due to next year's product having to have fewer >> bugs than this year's product. Not malicious pressure, but real. > > AEF Since the OEM OS is non-transferable, normal bloat for new versions of applications plus the usual collection of bugs ensures ongoing OS revenue when people find their systems running out of steam. -- OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:31:01 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Message-ID: Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I don't really understand this. Do you mean I cannot have more than one > USB device attached at once? Or that I cannot have a USB-USB port to port > connection? USB is not peer to peer. You have a "server" which provides the polling and power, and the clients which wait for the polling. So you can have a PC with a PDA connected to it. The PC is the server and PDA the client. You can have a PC with a camera connected to it, again, PC is server and camera is client. But you cannot connect the camera to your PDA because they are both clients. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 2007 16:28:18 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Message-ID: <5fn352F3btgsvU1@mid.individual.net> In article <50474$46960ab2$cef8887a$2069@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> I'm an idiot, I missed "This cable must be a straight through cable" in >> the manual. > > Note that ethernet also has the same concept of straight through versus > cross over. > > Worse yet, USB doesn't have that concept because it is client-server and > you cannot connect 2 clients together or 2 servers together no matter > how much you tsist the cable. Maybe not with a cable you make yourself, but you can connect two computers together with USB. Do it all the time to clone disks with GHOST. Just had to buy the cable. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:21:24 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Message-ID: <20070712162124.GA51042@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 12:03:18PM -0400, JF Mezei wrote: > Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >I'm an idiot, I missed "This cable must be a straight through cable" in > >the manual. > > Note that ethernet also has the same concept of straight through versus > cross over. fortunately in this case it does not matter: "The MSA SAN Switch will automatically sense the cable configuration used (straight of cross over)." from the switch installation guide. > Worse yet, USB doesn't have that concept because it is client-server and > you cannot connect 2 clients together or 2 servers together no matter > how much you tsist the cable. I don't really understand this. Do you mean I cannot have more than one USB device attached at once? Or that I cannot have a USB-USB port to port connection? thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:03:18 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Message-ID: <50474$46960ab2$cef8887a$2069@TEKSAVVY.COM> Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I'm an idiot, I missed "This cable must be a straight through cable" in > the manual. Note that ethernet also has the same concept of straight through versus cross over. Worse yet, USB doesn't have that concept because it is client-server and you cannot connect 2 clients together or 2 servers together no matter how much you tsist the cable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:30:48 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port Message-ID: <20070712133048.GA49966@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> > I'm trying to setup SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000. > When I use serial port I just get > > # cu -l /dev/cuad0 > Connected > > I used the same null modem (cross-over) cable to connect to serial ports > on ds10l and rx2620 with no problems. I'm an idiot, I missed "This cable must be a straight through cable" in the manual. On a side note, this RS232 is a very tricky thing - so many options. Somebody recently ordered a book on RS232 for our library - the whole book just on RS232 - amazing! -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:31:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Michael Moroney Subject: Re: Solved: SAN switch 2/8 on MSA1000 - cannot connect to serial of rj-45 port o Message-ID: JF Mezei writes: >USB is not peer to peer. You have a "server" which provides the polling >and power, and the clients which wait for the polling. >So you can have a PC with a PDA connected to it. The PC is the server >and PDA the client. You can have a PC with a camera connected to it, >again, PC is server and camera is client. >But you cannot connect the camera to your PDA because they are both clients. But you can have a computer (server) connect to a printer (client), a computer (server) connect to a camera (client) and a camera (server) connect to a printer (client). (ok, ok, so the camera has different ports of different types to do this) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:17:56 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Message-ID: <1184231876.306586.202730@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Most recent layered product shipment was June. I expect one in September. Review the quotas specified for usernames. Often these are too small. You may find min_quotas.com useful http://dcl.openvms.org/stories.php?story=05/07/28/2894075 ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.378 ************************