INFO-VAX Mon, 06 Aug 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 428 Contents: Re: DECNET on IA64 ? Re: Easy DCL question PURGE vs. DELETE Re: Easy DCL question PURGE vs. DELETE Re: F$FAO question Re: F$FAO question Re: How can I create symbol thru Perl "system" command? Re: How can I create symbol thru Perl "system" command? How much will Integrity cost? Re: How much will Integrity cost? Re: How much will Integrity cost? Re: How much will Integrity cost? Re: Kerry needs a news reader RE: Kerry needs a news reader RE: Kerry needs a news reader Re: Kerry needs a news reader Re: Kerry needs a news reader RE: Kerry needs a news reader Re: Kerry needs a news reader Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Re: Layered products not available on IA64 RE: Layered products not available on IA64 Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Re: LDAP tools for VMS RE: LDAP tools for VMS Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Re: Read tar and mainframe tapes with 4mm drive under VMS? REXX Re: Stay on Alpha forever? (that is where the compilers are) Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall VMS OS req'd progression Re: VMS OS req'd progression Re: VMS OS req'd progression Re: VMS OS req'd progression Re: VMS OS req'd progression Re: VMS OS req'd progression RE: VMS OS req'd progression Re: VMS OS req'd progression Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:35:36 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: DECNET on IA64 ? Message-ID: <1186392936.686934.166900@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> DECnet IV has existed on VMS I64 since around V8.0 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:52:40 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Easy DCL question PURGE vs. DELETE Message-ID: <1186419160.305839.301710@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Aug 5, 7:17 pm, AEF wrote: > On Aug 5, 4:26 pm, Doug Phillips wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2:10 pm, AEF wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 2:20 pm, Doug Phillips wrote: > [...] > > > > I'll reply here rather that waste band-width quoting one of our other > > > > incredibly long and winding posts. > > > > > AEF, purge does not work the way you describe. > > > > Yes it does. > > > > > Since you can't look at ITRC, and see Jon Pinkley's reproducer I'll > > > > paste it in here (hope you don't mind, Jon). It'll probably wrap, but > > > > I can't help that. > > I can look at it, but it's a struggle to read it. It's so dense. It's > like reading STARTUP.COM. ... OK, I brought up the ITRC thread and > pasted it into to an Outlook email window and it is finally readable. > I printed it and read it. OK. (I wish I had a "universal translator" > program that would automatically do this type of thing for me.) > A friend with very severe vision problems (character stacking and horizontal distortion) uses the following methods (on Windows): CTRL/+ (how every many times it takes) to increase the size of the font; Use the left-click or shift-arrow to slowly high-light across the text; Use the Magnifier tools; Use a "nothced" index card (or folded piece of paper); Does what you do (cut & paste to something with better control.) There may very well be a vision aid tool that would do what you want; I'll ask and see if anyone knows. Or, maybe someone here has some experience (though it seems everyone else has either kill-filed this thread or has been put to sleep by it's verbosity;-) I agree that ITRC's formatting is lame. There is an option during posting that will post "as is" without formatting, but it's not the default. > [...] > > > The bug has been reported, and it is bug. As noted in the ITRC thread, > > Your opinion. As is, it offers additional functionality. Yet I agreed > that your way is also a reasonable way to do it. > I think quite a few others share "my opinion" because I wasn't the first one to have the opinion. I read what others said, ran a few tests myself and became a believer. > > it worked *as documented* (e.g. only the "specified and qualified" > > files were considered --- your "current version" would be ignored if > > if was not within those qualified specs) sometime back in the v5.n era > > and before, and the bug was introduced sometime after that. > > I'm pretty sure that I noticed the current behavior on a VMS V5.x, > probably on a V5.2 system. (When did V5.5 first come out?) Therefore > I'm very surprised by the ITRC example using V5.5-2H4. Looks like > yours. Also, it would > help to know the history of the PURGE code w.r.t. various versions of > VMS. > I don't know the code history, except as I remember the release notes and new features. I've "managed" VMS since v4, but I've "used" it since early 11/780 days and I don't remember my introductory version. The code base used for Alpha, I believe, was v5.5-2. v6.2 is the oldest thing I have, and although I can remember specific bugs throughout the years I can't name when they happened. > > What does it do for /KEEP=1 and without /KEEP? > If you mean "what did it do back when", the discussion indicates it worked as I described. It would keep the highest version of the files you specify/qualify and ignore the ones that don't match your specs/ quals. That's also what I remember, and I was surprised to find it working the way it does. My most often usage is to purge/since to remove all but the current version of source code that I've worked on today (you know, the stuff that has all the typos and compiler errors(8-O), leaving the older version(s). That works just fine. Or, purge a file or directory without qualification; log files, scratch files, report files, etc. Purge seems to work as expected if you don't qualify it. > > I still don't understand why you think fixing it to consider only the > > qualified/specified files would cause you hardship, or why you think > > allowing it to consider *any* file that is not one you have specified/ > > qualified is logical. > > Because then I can't do Example 2. I might want to delete all old > versions from before a certain date, > and I can't do that with your > algorithm without either using /CONFIRM or a very, very lengthy / > EXCLUDE. Here it is again: > > Example 2: > > ONE.TMP;4 18:00 > ONE.TMP;3 17:00 > ONE.TMP;2 16:00 > TWO.TMP;8 14:00 > TWO.TMP;3 13:00 > TWO.TMP;1 12:00 > THREE.TMP;8 17:00 > THREE.TMP;6 15:00 > THREE.TMP;1 10:00 > > Now suppose I want to PURGE this directory but only delete _old_ > versions older than 16:30. This would leave the following: > > ONE.TMP;4 18:00 > ONE.TMP;3 17:00 > TWO.TMP;8 14:00 > THREE.TMP;8 17:00 > > Note that TWO.TMP;8 is older than 16:30, but it was saved because I > used PURGE. Had I used DELETE it would be gone! NOW do you understand > what I'm trying to do? I can easily do this with the current version > of PURGE. I can't do this with your version of PURGE unless you add > the possibility of /KEEP=0 which I would consider to be a rather > bizarre option for a PURGE command. > No, I think "my" way would do what you want, because PURGE by definition always keeps at least one version of any file that meets the specs/quals. It should *never* delete all versions of a file that meet those specs/quals, and it should only "look at" the files you do specify. If the TWO.TMP;8 meets your specs (which it does) one version would be kept. The /qualifiers would operate on matching files after the /keep has been satisfied. Again, though for emphasis: It should ignore any file that doesn't match, and keep exactly the number you specify if there are at least that many versions. > > One more variation: I want to save the current versions of ONE.TMP, > TWO.TMP, and THREE.TMP no matter what. That means saving ONE.TMP;4, > TWO.TMP;8, and THREE.TMP;8. Out of the remaining versions, I want to > delete those with a time stamp of less than 16:30. I can't do this > with your algorithm, but I can with mine. I simply would use $ PURGE/ > BEFORE=16:30 and it would do what I want. With your algorithm I'd be > stuck with three extra versions I'd have to manually delete. > Same thing. I did mention on ITRC that it would be a nice to have additional qualifiers on the /KEEP option. > > If you tell it to purge files owned by [1,1] and > > keep 2 if there are that many, I don't understand why you think "start > > the count with the first file regardless of any thing else" makes > > sense... > > Because /KEEP=1 is already tied to the current file. I like it because > it allows me to do Example 2. (See Example 2 above.) > > > oh well, I've said that before and then you've said what you > > said before and we're back to here again. Why bother. > > Because now we at least are not misunderstanding each other about what > "current version" means. This discussion is plagued with a seemingly > endless number of words that have multiple meanings, the intended one > in any particular case usually not made clear by the context. > I agree. I guess we're just a couple of wordy guys;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:27:43 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Easy DCL question PURGE vs. DELETE Message-ID: <1186421263.712067.237510@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 5, 7:17 pm, AEF wrote: > On Aug 5, 4:26 pm, Doug Phillips wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 2:10 pm, AEF wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 2:20 pm, Doug Phillips wrote: > [...] > > Example 2: > > ONE.TMP;4 18:00 > ONE.TMP;3 17:00 > ONE.TMP;2 16:00 > TWO.TMP;8 14:00 > TWO.TMP;3 13:00 > TWO.TMP;1 12:00 > THREE.TMP;8 17:00 > THREE.TMP;6 15:00 > THREE.TMP;1 10:00 > > Now suppose I want to PURGE this directory but only delete _old_ > versions older than 16:30. This would leave the following: > > ONE.TMP;4 18:00 > ONE.TMP;3 17:00 > TWO.TMP;8 14:00 > THREE.TMP;8 17:00 > > Note that TWO.TMP;8 is older than 16:30, but it was saved because I > used PURGE. Had I used DELETE it would be gone! NOW do you understand > what I'm trying to do? I can easily do this with the current version > of PURGE. I can't do this with your version of PURGE unless you add > the possibility of /KEEP=0 which I would consider to be a rather > bizarre option for a PURGE command. > > One more variation: I want to save the current versions of ONE.TMP, > TWO.TMP, and THREE.TMP no matter what. That means saving ONE.TMP;4, > TWO.TMP;8, and THREE.TMP;8. Out of the remaining versions, I want to > delete those with a time stamp of less than 16:30. I can't do this > with your algorithm, but I can with mine. I simply would use $ PURGE/ > BEFORE=16:30 and it would do what I want. With your algorithm I'd be > stuck with three extra versions I'd have to manually delete. > > > Same thing. Sorry, I said "same thing" but in re-reading it I now understand the slight difference (I think??) I guess sometimes I scan too quickly and for that I do apologize. But, I don't understand which three files you think are excess. After your command; DIR would find: ONE.TMP;4 18:00 ONE.TMP;3 17:00 TWO.TMP;8 14:00 THREE.TMP;8 17:00 (which is the same result as the first example, so I don't understand your "variation.) You have saved "ONE.TMP;4, TWO.TMP;8, and THREE.TMP; 8. Out of the remaining versions, ... those with a time stamp of less than 16:30 [were deleted]." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 01:40:07 -0700 From: Big John Subject: Re: F$FAO question Message-ID: <1186389607.777398.154180@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Aug 3, 7:24 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > HAFNER> echo f$fao("!5AS","5") > 5 > > This left-justifies the output. Now looking at the HELP description I see > > !n<...!> None Left-justifies and blank-fills all data > represented by the instructions . . . in > fields n characters wide. > isn't this superfluous? I ask because what I really wanted was > right-justified. No it is not superfluous, the !n<...,!> is much more powerful than just setting a value to 'n' in !nAS. You can stick a whole bunch of directives between the !n< and the !>, not just one. Here is a very simple example of using it, that I extracted from one of my procedures: $ write sys$output f$fao("!20!AS","AUTO_ACTION",f $getenv("AUTO_ACTION")) - I don't believe you could do this without the '!n< !>' construct. > > Too bad we don't have Rexx on VMS. > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com Never heard of Rexx, (heard of PL/1 tho!) - Cheers, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:16:02 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: Re: F$FAO question Message-ID: <46b6e6d2$1@news.post.ch> Big John schrieb: >> Too bad we don't have Rexx on VMS. >> -- >> PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > > Never heard of Rexx, (heard of PL/1 tho!) REXX (REstructured eXtended eXecutor) - a script language developed by IBM - mostly for mainframe use - but also available for OS/2, Linux, MS-Windows. For details see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexx From the syntax quite similar to DCL (Influenced by: PL/I, EXEC 2, BASIC) - but still actively developed and extended - and with all the features I miss in DCL. Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 07:56:18 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: How can I create symbol thru Perl "system" command? Message-ID: <1dhXVgMHD$XH@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1186247198.258201.124460@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, ed_lin writes: > > #!/usr/bin/perl > system("ED_PROG :== $WSUSER1:[CSM.ED_COBOL]NEW_LOT_ALI.EXE"); > > # I suspect the $ needs to be scaped, actually I couldn't even create > any symbol no matter how simple it is. > > system("EASY_ONE :== show time"); > Check with the perl documents on this one, but it looks as if you're starting a subprocess in which the symbol is defined. Only the subprocess will see the symbol. I don't know how well perl on VMS manages it's subprocesses. Most likely the subprocess soon exists and the symbol definition is lost. If you need to define and use a symbol, put all the DCL commands in a file and start a subprocess to run that file. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:35:41 -0000 From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: How can I create symbol thru Perl "system" command? Message-ID: <1186421741.970565.15690@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 4, 2:33 pm, "Craig A. Berry" wrote: > ed_lin wrote: : >> I never succeed in creating any smbol thru perl system command. > If you want to manipulate DCL symbols from Perl, I'd recommend the DCLsym module, Craig is of course correct, that DCLsym is the way to go. There is however and alternative, and there is a better solution for the real problem The Perl alternative is to use the ENV array after redirecting its usage to DCL global symbol. The example below shows just that. It also shows how by using the single quote 'function' one avoids variable substitution and thus the need to escape $. $ define PERL_ENV_TABLES CLISYM_ $ perl -e "$ENV{TEST}=q($more test)" $ show symb test TEST == "$more test" More info? Google: +perl +PERL_ENV_TABLES +CLISYM_LOCAL For the real problem though... why not just use 'MCR'? As in: Using symbol $ define sysuaf sys$login:sysuaf.tmp;1 $ perl -e "$ENV{TEST}=q($authorize); system(q(TEST show default/br))" Owner Username UIC Account Privs Pri Directory... Real solution for real problem using MCR and variable as argument: $ perl -e "$user=q(DEFAULT); system(qq(mcr sys\$system:authorize show $user/br))" Owner Username UIC Account Privs Pri Directory... Enjoy, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:55:41 -0700 From: tadamsmar Subject: How much will Integrity cost? Message-ID: <1186415741.482021.248720@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> I would need 5 low end Integrity systems to replace 5 DS10s. Each need 2 disks for shadowing, tape drive, two internet ports. I need vaxset,c,fortran,datatrieve,cdd on one of the 5 systems for development. I have an inquiry for ballpark estimate in to HP. Any guesses on the cost/ I figure somewhere between 50 and 100K. But it get conflicting info from various sites. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:10:07 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: How much will Integrity cost? Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:55:41 -0700, tadamsmar wrote: > I would need 5 low end Integrity systems to replace 5 DS10s. Just curious, what is the rationale for replacing? > > Each need 2 disks for shadowing, tape drive, two internet ports. > > I need vaxset,c,fortran,datatrieve,cdd on one of the 5 systems for > development. > > I have an inquiry for ballpark estimate in to HP. > > Any guesses on the cost/ > > I figure somewhere between 50 and 100K. But it get conflicting info > from various sites. > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:12:40 -0700 From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: How much will Integrity cost? Message-ID: <1186420360.013184.45390@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 6, 12:10 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:55:41 -0700, tadamsmar wrote: > > I would need 5 low end Integrity systems to replace 5 DS10s. > > Just curious, what is the rationale for replacing? I only have a rationale for planning. I committed to doing some planning and the deadline looms. The rationale for pricing in the plan is to be able give our client heads up on a potential big expense in the future. I don't know if we will replace or when. I guess the rationale would be that the Alpha will no longer be built, sold, or supported by HP. I am really just scoping now. Are you not even thinking about it? > > > > > Each need 2 disks for shadowing, tape drive, two internet ports. > > > I need vaxset,c,fortran,datatrieve,cdd on one of the 5 systems for > > development. > > > I have an inquiry for ballpark estimate in to HP. > > > Any guesses on the cost/ > > > I figure somewhere between 50 and 100K. But it get conflicting info > > from various sites. > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:38:45 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: How much will Integrity cost? Message-ID: <7dd80f60708061038v537e820arc4a05b88668c8a3@mail.gmail.com> On 8/6/07, tadamsmar wrote: > On Aug 6, 12:10 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > > On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:55:41 -0700, tadamsmar wrote: > > > I would need 5 low end Integrity systems to replace 5 DS10s. > > > > Just curious, what is the rationale for replacing? > > I only have a rationale for planning. I committed to doing some > planning and the deadline looms. > > The rationale for pricing in the plan is to be able give our client > heads up on a potential big expense in the future. I would start at the HP Enterprise Configurator page which will help you with your configuration and gives you prices at the end. It uses Javascript, so it won't work if you have Javascript disabled on your browser. The prices given are before any discounts you might get. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:22:10 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: In article , "John E. Malmberg" wrote: > Mozilla is also not handling wrapping properly on quoting some messages. > > I do not know if there is a bug open on that one. Based on that almost > the only activity on the other bugs that I have files is other people > seeing them on other platforms, it does not appear to be worth the > effort to file any more bugs. I am afraid that I came to the conclusion sometime last year that Thunderbird for news group posting is the poor cousin of the Mozilla offerings. I have ceased using it. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 07:38:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: RE: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: <$ePOo+yORdjd@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <001201c7d70f$79e17b10$6da47130$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: >> > > I'm unaware of any system that uses CR/LF conventions other than > Dos/Windows, unless VMS is doing so. > Most large systems use record formats, or LF conventions. Or X'25' if you > happen to be in EBCDIC. > I've never looked to see what VMS is using for text files, but if it is > CRLF, then I can see your point. CRLF is a TCP/IP convention specifially called for in many RFC. All proper working clients and servers honor the RFC, no matter what thier file system does. VMS can use LF, CRLF, or several other conventions. Every client and server I've ever seen on VMS got at least this part of the RFC correct. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 07:41:45 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: RE: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > > Other than perhaps convincing US folks to give up on baseball and football = > to learn hockey, the rest should go smoothly. Hockey? Texans curl, why should they need to learn hockey? http://www.dfwcurling.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:02:03 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:22:10 -0700, P. Sture wrote: > In article , > "John E. Malmberg" wrote: > >> Mozilla is also not handling wrapping properly on quoting some messages. >> >> I do not know if there is a bug open on that one. Based on that almost >> the only activity on the other bugs that I have files is other people >> seeing them on other platforms, it does not appear to be worth the >> effort to file any more bugs. > > I am afraid that I came to the conclusion sometime last year that > Thunderbird for news group posting is the poor cousin of the Mozilla > offerings. I have ceased using it. > I like the newsreader in Opera. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:32:14 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: On 08/06/07 07:41, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: >> Other than perhaps convincing US folks to give up on baseball and football = >> to learn hockey, the rest should go smoothly. > > Hockey? Texans curl, why should they need to learn hockey? > > http://www.dfwcurling.com/ Those "people" are *not* native Texans. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:42:33 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] > Sent: August 6, 2007 9:32 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Kerry needs a news reader > > On 08/06/07 07:41, Bob Koehler wrote: > > In article > t>, "Main, Kerry" writes: > >> Other than perhaps convincing US folks to give up on baseball and > football =3D > >> to learn hockey, the rest should go smoothly. > > > > Hockey? Texans curl, why should they need to learn hockey? > > > > http://www.dfwcurling.com/ > > Those "people" are *not* native Texans. > > -- We sent those curlers there many years ago .. they are Canadian moles worki= ng on long term strategy to get US folks into ice sports that also use sticks. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:53:27 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Kerry needs a news reader Message-ID: On 08/06/07 09:42, Main, Kerry wrote: [snip] > > We sent those curlers there many years ago .. they are Canadian moles working > on long term strategy to get US folks into ice sports that also use sticks. Can moles actually dig thru permafrost, much lest live in permanently frozen dirt? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:33:11 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Message-ID: <1186392791.946258.75600@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Datatrive is available for OpenVMS I64. Its a free download for DSPP company members. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:39:05 -0700 From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Message-ID: <1186403945.309188.33730@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 6, 5:33 am, IanMiller wrote: > Datatrive is available for OpenVMS I64. Its a free download for DSPP > company members. My company develops custom software for the federal government, so would we meet the DSPP membership requirements? We don't have a commercial package available. I assume HP will eventually have a release of Datatrieve available on Integrity. Correct? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:58:57 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Message-ID: <1186405137.407724.119980@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Datatreive is available for OpenVMS on Integrity now. I don't know about eligability requirements. go to http://www.hp.com/go/dspp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:27:36 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Layered products not available on IA64 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tadamsmar [mailto:tadamsmar@yahoo.com] > Sent: August 6, 2007 8:39 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Layered products not available on IA64 > > On Aug 6, 5:33 am, IanMiller wrote: > > Datatrive is available for OpenVMS I64. Its a free download for DSPP > > company members. > > My company develops custom software for the federal government, so > would we meet the DSPP membership requirements? We don't have a > commercial package available. > > I assume HP will eventually have a release of Datatrieve available on > Integrity. Correct? Note that DSPP membership is free. http://tinyurl.com/24mqmq (DSPP FAQ) Datatrieve is already available on both Integrity and Alpha: http://tinyurl.com/26kkwm related to Datatrieve - Rdb and CDD are Oracle products and have been for m= any years. Oracle has released versions of each of these for Integrity. Oracle Announcement: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb7/rdb721_relannounc= e.html Reference: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html Downloads: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/rdb7/index.html Other doc link of interest: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/rdb_doc_index.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:50:16 -0700 From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: Layered products not available on IA64 Message-ID: <1186415416.104243.240070@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 6, 8:58 am, IanMiller wrote: > Datatreive is available for OpenVMS on Integrity now. > That's not what HP is posting: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_h.html Datatrieve is listed as "planned". Can anyone explain this contradiction between Ian and HP? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:32:09 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: LDAP tools for VMS Message-ID: <1186392729.104787.10610@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> have you looked at the enterprise directory server layered product from HP? IIRC you do not need an extra licence for it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:42:59 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: LDAP tools for VMS Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Smeaton [mailto:malcolm.smeaton@canterbury.ac.nz] > Sent: August 6, 2007 1:17 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: LDAP tools for VMS > > Hello > > Does anyone know where I can get hold of some useful LDAP utilities for > VMS? > > For example ldapsearch, ldapadd, ldapmodify, ldapdelete > > -- > Regards > Malcolm Smeaton, Server Group Leader > Information and Communication Technology Services > University of Canterbury Te Whare Wananga o Waitaha > Private Bag 4800, Christchurch 8140, New Zealand > Phone: 64-3-364-2333 > Fax: 64-3-364-2332 > Email: malcolm.smeaton@canterbury.ac.nz > Malcolm - Just curious, but perhaps you could expand on what you will be looking to a= ccomplish with the tools? Reason for asking is that if the intent is to establish a unified user acco= unts environment with other platforms, then you might be interested in the follo= wing LDAP V3 compliant product from Process Software: http://www.process.com/VMSauth/index.html (uses Multinet or TCPware or HP TCPIP services) Extract from data sheet:(supports Active Directory, OpenLDAP etc) "Many organizations are employing LDAP as a centralized repository for stor= ing user information because it simplifies administration: additions and change= s to permissions are made only once in a directory and are immediately available= to all authorized users, directory-enabled applications, systems, and other de= vices. By keeping the authentication centralized in a directory, a security admini= strator will always know who is accessing network resources and can define user/ group-based policies to control access. The VMS Authentication Module makes use of an LDAP directory through a login request for access. The username, password, and all data can be encrypted via TLS between the OpenVMS system and any LDAP compliant directory server to protect a user's identity from b= eing compromised. To ease administration, the VMS User Authorization File may be synced with the LDAP server password. An administrator can also specify = a login request should perform multiple searches on multiple servers." http://www.process.com/VMSauth/OpenVMS%20Auth%20Module.pdf (data sheet) If directory synching is what you are looking for, then HP LDSU might also = be an option: http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/cache/11212-0-0-225-121.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:51:27 -0700 From: urbancamo Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: <1186411887.932660.249370@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Just to keep this thread alive a little longer... I am trying to make a choice between buying: (a) An RX2660 Itanium server with 4GB RAM and a single dual core 1.4 GHz processor or (b) an HP Proliant DL380 G5 housing two quad core Xeons at 2 Ghz with 4GB RAM (thanks to their free processor/double memory offers). The Proliant server is quite a bit cheaper. I am a contract software consultant. I intend to use the box primarily as a development platform, although it will also act as a web-based server/applications server/access point. I'd like the option to be able to run OpenVMS, although I can't justify this in business terms at the time. Does anyone think there is a market out there for bringing Open Source programs to OpenVMS and supporting them? This might be a valid revenue stream... The questions I'd like to ask of your collective wisdom are: 1. What performance difference can I expect between the two boxes (developing C/C++/Java applications). 2. How much emphasis should I place between the tradeoff between a platform with less support (itanium) from ISVs under Linux but with OpenVMS capability and a standard Xeon server with full support from ISVs but no OpenVMS? 3. If I run SuSE 10 ES on the Itanium, is this going to be a transparent experience compared with running SuSE 10.2 on x86? Thanks for the help. I'm looking for someone to convince me that buying the Itanium is a sensible move. :) Regards, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:12:42 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:51:27 -0700, urbancamo wrote: > Just to keep this thread alive a little longer... I am trying to make > a choice between buying: > > (a) An RX2660 Itanium server with 4GB RAM and a single dual core 1.4 > GHz processor or > > (b) an HP Proliant DL380 G5 housing two quad core Xeons at 2 Ghz with > 4GB RAM (thanks to their free processor/double memory offers). I would go with the latter (or a Dell, they have better service) with two NICs run a VAX emulator install VMS 7.3 on the emulator, buy a cheap alpha cluster it and you have all bases covered. Run WASD on the Alpha an advertise its IP run Linux on non-routable IP. If you are primarily running Linux it makes no sense to buy an Itanium. I saw on de.comp.os.vms that some guy even installed YellowDog on Sony Playstation. > > The Proliant server is quite a bit cheaper. > > I am a contract software consultant. I intend to use the box primarily > as a development platform, although it will also act as a web-based > server/applications server/access point. > > I'd like the option to be able to run OpenVMS, although I can't > justify this in business terms at the time. Does anyone think there is > a market out there for bringing Open Source programs to OpenVMS and > supporting them? This might be a valid revenue stream... I might pay a couple of C's for latest version of (X)emacs:-) > > The questions I'd like to ask of your collective wisdom are: > > 1. What performance difference can I expect between the two boxes > (developing C/C++/Java applications). > 2. How much emphasis should I place between the tradeoff between a > platform with less support (itanium) from ISVs under Linux but with > OpenVMS capability and a standard Xeon server with full support from > ISVs but no OpenVMS? > 3. If I run SuSE 10 ES on the Itanium, is this going to be a > transparent experience compared with running SuSE 10.2 on x86? > > Thanks for the help. I'm looking for someone to convince me that > buying the Itanium is a sensible move. :) > > Regards, Mark. > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 07:49:24 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Read tar and mainframe tapes with 4mm drive under VMS? Message-ID: <$1YRMZcJZ9TE@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <009801c7d570$bac47880$304d6980$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. Please turn that off, I had a hell of a time trying to find your message. > >

Is it possible? Reference? 

> Yes. I interchanged ASCII and EBCDIC tapes between my second VAX and a collection of IBM mainframes many times. I read tar tapes quite often. Nowdays I mostly read tar files, but the format is the same and I use the same utility. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:31:57 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: REXX Message-ID: As this has been mentioned by more than me, I wonder if anyone knows who did the port to VMS of Regina, as mentioned on following page. http://regina-rexx.sourceforge.net/ -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 13:18:16 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Stay on Alpha forever? (that is where the compilers are) Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > In article , Jeff > writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > > You don't get much higher level that Ada or PL/I, the two notable > >> discontinuities where HP has declined to provide support. > > > Ada is available on OpenVMS I64 from a third party, AdaCore. Customers > > can obtain support for this compiler from AdaCore if they wish. > > But it is not up to the quality standards needed for VMS compilers. > For example, it does not provide machine code listings indicating > the exact address within a module of a particular instruction. For > a problem that can only be reproduced on the machine of a security > sensitive customer, an address in memory might be all we can get out > of them. > > Since that is a show stopper, I have not checked to see whether it > is source compatible with the VAX and Alpha compilers provided by > DEC/Compaq/HP. Since there was a disconnect in exception handling > capabilities going from VAX to Alpha, it hardly seems possible that > a different company's Unix-centric compiler would match either one. http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gnat_ugn_unw/Compatibility-with-A da-83.html > Even if one considered going to the effort of _switching_ to GNAT one > would still not have an application that would build on all of VAX, > Alpha and Itanium, because GNAT is not offered for VAX. Or take up HP's suggestion of rewriting in C++ :-( -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:33:44 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Message-ID: I can't help you this week... ping me via mail next week. However, remember that the filename and the font name are not the same. The actual long-winded encoded fontnames are inside the font files. When the X11 server starts it reads a series of ".DIR" files that contain the mappings. This allows the server to get the font names without opening each font file. DECterm does not do any "aliasing". IIRC - look for the "bitstream" fonts. On a local, there should be a utility (check DECW$UTILS) to list the available fonts. "John E. Malmberg" wrote in message news:mR0ti.51151$Fc.31705@attbi_s21... > FredK wrote: >> >> Try to set it up the same way as you would on an Alpha... of course it >> doesn't help you much if you can't get access to an Itanium. I can't >> help with that - but others who read here might be able to. > > Hello Fred, > > I have found an issue with an ancient copy of Reflection/X which appears > to actually be a VMS DECWindows / DECTerm issue. > > None of the DECTerm bold fonts at 100dpi are the correct size on my PC. > > According to the logs and diagnostic messages, a big part of the problem > is that the bold fonts being requested by the DECTerm do not exist on the > DS10, and are not in any of the Font alias files for a fallback. > > I have font serving enabled on the DS10, and have verified that it is > working. Before I activated it, Mozilla did not look very good. > > So apparently inside DECWindows-Motif, something is providing its own > ailias to make the DECTerm fonts work. > > This is on: > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.6 > DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF_ECO02 V1.6 > DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V8.3 > > Can you find out what bold fonts are that are being requested by DECterms > and what bold fonts are actually used? > > That would allow me to edit the local Reflection/X font alias files. > > Thanks, > -John > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:30:29 -0400 From: "Jeff Goodwin" Subject: Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Message-ID: <46b72283$0$31277$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "tadamsmar" wrote in message news:1186151246.269204.56800@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > We have some Xyplex Maxserver 1600s. Xyplex was apparently bought by > MRV. > ... > > These upload from and communicate with Alphas running OpenVMS. > > I wonder if these will work if I upgrade to Integrity Servers? We heavily use Xyplex terminal servers in our Alpha environment. Check to see if you are running the Xyplex Parameter Server. On our systems, the process name is XYP_SERVER running an image called XYP_SERVER.EXE. This process loads the terminal server's parameters after the terminal server's image has loaded. The process also periodically saves the terminal server's parameters up to the OpenVMS system. I don't believe you'll find the Parameter Server available on Itanium. The Alpha version appears to be a translated VAX version, so it may be possible to just translate it again. The Xyplex Parameter Server is not necessary to run the terminal servers, and you may not even be using it. Everything you're using may be stored on a local flash card. The Parameter Server is a convenience in case you have to replace a failed unit. Other than that one item, I wouldn't expect you'd have an issue on Itanium. As others have mentioned, testing is the only sure way to find out. If the PL/1 fiasco is ever settled, we may even find out ourselves if there's an issue with the terminal servers on Itanium. -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:32:08 -0700 From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Message-ID: <1186407128.730322.286420@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Aug 4, 11:44 am, "John E. Malmberg" wrote: > tadamsmarwrote: > > We have some Xyplex Maxserver 1600s. Xyplex was apparently bought by > > MRV. > > > And, we have some old Tektronics X-terminals that are no longer > > supported by Tektronics. > > > These upload from and communicate with Alphas running OpenVMS. > > > I wonder if these will work if I upgrade to Integrity Servers? > > > I can find any of the products or vendors listed in the HP application > > status report: > > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/partner_s.html > > > which seems to indicate that I would not be able to install on > > Integrity Servers. But the files for upload are the only thing > > installed, I think. Alpha already had support for the communication > > protocols, I think. > > > But if I have all the files from the Alpha in place on Integrity, and > > if Integrity supports the devices, then in theory they should work. > > > Right, wrong, or depends? > > As you have been told, it depends. > > Many of the third party terminal servers and most of the third party > X-Terminals were also designed to be used with UNIX in shops that had no > VMS at all. > > While the early DECServers required a MOP download on boot to function, > most of the 3rd party terminal servers did not. > > They only needed entries in the LANCP/DECNET Phase IV data base to allow > management tools to talk to them, and also could use MOP to upgrade > their firmware. Most of the third party terminal servers could use > alternate programs to update their firmware. > > I seem to remember having a Xyplex at one time, and I do not remember if > it really needed a MOP download. > > The third party decservers supported TCP/IP long before DECServers did. > > So there is a chance that the only thing that you need to do to use your > Xyplex on an Integrity VMS system is to make sure that the LAT protocol > is started. > > As far as managing it, you may need to use a console terminal port on > it, or manually use LANCP commands to connect to it. It may also allow > TCP/IP to be used to manage it, once a TCPIP address is assigned. > > I would recommend searching for a online manual for it, or checking to > see if you can find out how UNIX users manage the device via TCP/IP. > > As far as X-terminals go, they were usually designed for UNIX, and > usally will work in a TCP/IP only environment. Current TCP/IP and > DECW-Motif both support TCP/IP including font servers. > > Older VMS versions did not provide that complete support using TCP/IP > and third party X-11 servers that wanted the VMS market would put their > own helper servers on the VMS systems to compensate. > > So it is likely that if you configure your X-terminals to treat VMS as a > UNIX host and just use TCP/IP, they should just work, unless they need > fonts served. In that case all you may need to do is turn on the font > server on VMS in the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_STARTUP.COM (check my > spelling), as it is off by default, and set up the X-terminal to use it > via TCP/IP just as if it were UNIX. > > And you do not have to wait to get a I64 system to verify all of this, > because the ALPHA works the same way. > > -John > wb8...@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The terminal servers may be easy. But there is something call XP_SERVER running on our Alphas, and there is a [TEK] directory with comfiles and executables. So I need to check into how to address the Tektronics X-terminals. They are pretty old and no longer supported, I may just replace them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:24:02 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:30:29 -0700, Jeff Goodwin wrote: > If the PL/1 fiasco is ever settled, we may even find out ourselves if > there's an issue with the terminal servers on Itanium. We are working on it. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 15:11:42 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Message-ID: <5hos1eF3l5m5dU1@mid.individual.net> In article <1186407128.730322.286420@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar writes: > > But there is something call XP_SERVER running on our Alphas, and there > is a [TEK] directory with comfiles and executables. So I need to > check into how to address the Tektronics X-terminals. They probably just use BOOTP/TFTP to load and should be usable with just about anything as the load server. > > They are pretty old and no longer supported, I may just replace them. In that case, feel free to put the old ones in a big box and send them to me. I like playing with X-terminals and I don't have any TEK ones in my collection yet. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:46:05 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: terminal servers, X-terminals in upgrade to Integrity Message-ID: On 08/06/07 08:32, tadamsmar wrote: [snip] > > But there is something call XP_SERVER running on our Alphas, and there > is a [TEK] directory with comfiles and executables. So I need to > check into how to address the Tektronics X-terminals. > > They are pretty old and no longer supported, I may just replace them. With diskless Linux workstations? (Even if you buy dedicated X stations, that [or FreeBSD] is probably what they'll be on the inside.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 07:43:46 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: RE: VMS cluster behind a *NIX firewall Message-ID: In article <008e01c7d56f$47991790$d6cb46b0$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: > > TCP is the common denominator of network communications these days, and > systems need really up to date IP stacks and applications. This is perhaps, > one of only two areas where VMS appears weak to me. Perhaps you're looking at the wrong stack. HP's stack has been weak all the way back to when DEC called it UCX. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:47:32 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: <1186404452.796191.50090@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> I am working on a plan to migrate our older VMS & Vax servers to the latest version on each. I have searched the HP site for hours trying to find a page that would show me the required migration paths for the various releases. For example, one Alpha system is on release 6.2. What is the migration path that I am required to take to get to 7.3-x? Can I go right to 7.3-1, or must I go to 7.0 or 7.1 first, then to 7.3-x? Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct path(s). Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:56:38 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: <1186404998.172322.31400@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> See the FAQ http://64.223.189.234/node/1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:57:12 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: "jhjr4381" wrote in message news:1186404452.796191.50090@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read > the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct > path(s). No, just pick the latest release notes, unless you are on an ancient version. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/DOC/732FINAL/6668/6668pro.html#vmsupgradepaths ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:09:16 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: <1186405756.957389.238940@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Aug 6, 8:47 am, jhjr4381 wrote: > I am working on a plan to migrate our older VMS & Vax servers to the > latest version on each. I have searched the HP site for hours trying > to find a page that would show me the required migration paths for the > various releases. > For example, one Alpha system is on release 6.2. What is the migration > path that I am required to take to get to 7.3-x? Can I go right to > 7.3-1, or must I go to 7.0 or 7.1 first, then to 7.3-x? > Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read > the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct > path(s). > > Thanks, > Dan Dan, I would start at the Release Notes for 7.3-2 (the documentation for 7.3-2 can be found at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os732_index.html). The information that you are looking for is in Chapter 1 of the Release Notes. In the case of a 6.2 system, the notes state that an intermediate step will be needed. Whether that can be accomplished "behind the curtain" depends on your particular situation. If I have been unclear, or can be of additional assistance, please let me know. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:46:44 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: jhjr4381 wrote: > I am working on a plan to migrate our older VMS & Vax servers to the > latest version on each. I have searched the HP site for hours trying > to find a page that would show me the required migration paths for the > various releases. > For example, one Alpha system is on release 6.2. What is the migration > path that I am required to take to get to 7.3-x? Can I go right to > 7.3-1, or must I go to 7.0 or 7.1 first, then to 7.3-x? > Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read > the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct > path(s). Hi Dan, I have been collecting and maintaining this chart, see the FAQ. There is a web site (somewhere) at HP with this information, though that was derived from what was in the FAQ. (And yes, finding anything at the HP website is often somewhat of a task -- the way I usually use is via a Google search, and specifically with the Google site: keyword to restrict the search to the right server at HP.) Grab the PDF or .TXT version of the FAQ from http://64.223.189.234/node/1 http://www.hoffmanlabs.com/vmsfaq and look for "What are the OpenVMS Version Upgrade Paths?" You'll find three lists of the available upgrade sequences for each of the three platforms. Alternatively, I've since re-done the OpenVMS upgrade path information, and posted a set of articles including the following that might interest you: http://64.223.189.234/node/255 (OpenVMS Alpha) http://64.223.189.234/node/256 (OpenVMS I64) http://64.223.189.234/node/257 (OpenVMS VAX) Feedback on the new listings format is welcome, I'm using a different notation on the new pages as the older notation was getting, um, dense. If what is posted there works, I'll probably retrofit it back into the OpenVMS FAQ. And yes, skimming through the release notes and the new features for each of the intermediate releases (where available) is (still) a good idea. Hoff -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:19:18 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: Re: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: <1186409958.304168.10250@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Aug 6, 9:46 am, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > jhjr4381 wrote: > > I am working on a plan to migrate our older VMS & Vax servers to the > > latest version on each. I have searched the HP site for hours trying > > to find a page that would show me the required migration paths for the > > various releases. > > For example, one Alpha system is on release 6.2. What is the migration > > path that I am required to take to get to 7.3-x? Can I go right to > > 7.3-1, or must I go to 7.0 or 7.1 first, then to 7.3-x? > > Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read > > the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct > > path(s). > > Hi Dan, > > I have been collecting and maintaining this chart, see the FAQ. There > is a web site (somewhere) at HP with this information, though that was > derived from what was in the FAQ. (And yes, finding anything at the HP > website is often somewhat of a task -- the way I usually use is via a > Google search, and specifically with the Google site: keyword to > restrict the search to the right server at HP.) > > Grab the PDF or .TXT version of the FAQ from > > http://64.223.189.234/node/1http://www.hoffmanlabs.com/vmsfaq > > and look for > > "What are the OpenVMS Version Upgrade Paths?" > > You'll find three lists of the available upgrade sequences for each of > the three platforms. > > Alternatively, I've since re-done the OpenVMS upgrade path information, > and posted a set of articles including the following that might interest > you: > > http://64.223.189.234/node/255(OpenVMS Alpha)http://64.223.189.234/node/256(OpenVMS I64)http://64.223.189.234/node/257(OpenVMS VAX) > > Feedback on the new listings format is welcome, I'm using a different > notation on the new pages as the older notation was getting, um, dense. > If what is posted there works, I'll probably retrofit it back into the > OpenVMS FAQ. > > And yes, skimming through the release notes and the new features for > each of the intermediate releases (where available) is (still) a good idea. > > Hoff > > --www.HoffmanLabs.com > Services for OpenVMS Thanks folks! Appreciate the response(s) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:41:56 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: jhjr4381 [mailto:daniel.horgan@infor.com] > Sent: August 6, 2007 8:48 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: VMS OS req'd progression > > I am working on a plan to migrate our older VMS & Vax servers to the > latest version on each. I have searched the HP site for hours trying > to find a page that would show me the required migration paths for the > various releases. > For example, one Alpha system is on release 6.2. What is the migration > path that I am required to take to get to 7.3-x? Can I go right to > 7.3-1, or must I go to 7.0 or 7.1 first, then to 7.3-x? > Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read > the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct > path(s). > > Thanks, > Dan Dan, You likely already know this, but OpenVMS V7.3-2 is a fairly old version (r= eleased late 2003). The latest version (Alpha and Integrity) of OpenVMS is V8.3. The latest public patches for OpenVMS V8.3 can be found at: ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V8.3/ ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V8.3/ALPHA_V83A_MASTER_ECO_LIST= txt OpenVMS release history: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:01:35 -0700 From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: VMS OS req'd progression Message-ID: <1186416095.987734.140050@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 6, 11:41 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jhjr4381 [mailto:daniel.hor...@infor.com] > > Sent: August 6, 2007 8:48 AM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: VMS OS req'd progression > > > I am working on a plan to migrate our older VMS & Vax servers to the > > latest version on each. I have searched the HP site for hours trying > > to find a page that would show me the required migration paths for the > > various releases. > > For example, one Alpha system is on release 6.2. What is the migration > > path that I am required to take to get to 7.3-x? Can I go right to > > 7.3-1, or must I go to 7.0 or 7.1 first, then to 7.3-x? > > Does anybody have that info, or a link to a page, or do I have to read > > the release/install manuals for each release to determine the correct > > path(s). > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > Dan, > > You likely already know this, but OpenVMS V7.3-2 is a fairly old version (released late 2003). > > The latest version (Alpha and Integrity) of OpenVMS is V8.3. > > The latest public patches for OpenVMS V8.3 can be found at:ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V8.3/ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V8.3/ALPHA_V83A_MASTER_EC... > > OpenVMS release history:http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html > > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If you are at 7.3.2 what's the best path to Integrity? Do you need upgrade to a common version of VMS on Alpha before you jump to Integrity? ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 07:57:16 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Message-ID: In article <000001c7d773$2ea848e0$8bf8daa0$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: > How does one go about stringing multiple editor commands together and > binding them to say, a function key. That's going to very much depend on which editor you're using. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:58:25 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Message-ID: <1186405105.319245.33880@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Aug 5, 11:13 am, "Paul Raulerson" wrote: > How does one go about stringing multiple editor commands together and > binding them to say, a function key. > > I would like to modify the behavior of the exit key so that it only exists > the current buffer displayed on the screen, while still asking to save it if > necessary before dropping it. I admit, being an ISPF/XEDIT bigot here, I > routinely have two, three, or more files open in the same editor session and > cut and paste between them. > > But my fingers forget what my brain tells 'em, and I keep finding myself > closing out an entire editing session, instead of just the one file I am > interested in closing. :) > > Also, it would be nice to be able to hit NEW and have it ask for a file, it > currently says it does not take any arguments. > > Thanks > -Paul Paul, With all due respect, may I suggest that thus post should be repeated in a topic by itself. Appending it onto this topic makes for a confusing newsgroup thread. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:21:57 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:58:25 -0700, Bob Gezelter wrote: > On Aug 5, 11:13 am, "Paul Raulerson" wrote: >> How does one go about stringing multiple editor commands together and >> binding them to say, a function key. >> You can do that with a macro in emacs. Unfortuantely there isn't a recent version of emacs for VMS later than 19.28, so I use that and with eXcursion on XP display and edit on XP or Xemacs on a PC and edit the files on a VMS disk. I once modified about a hundred files with a keyboard macro using the shell and dir listing (on a Prime) There is a command (lisp package actually) to bind keys as well, assign-last-kbd-macro-to-key >> I would like to modify the behavior of the exit key so that it only >> exists >> the current buffer displayed on the screen, while still asking to save >> it if >> necessary before dropping it. I admit, being an ISPF/XEDIT bigot here, I >> routinely have two, three, or more files open in the same editor >> session and >> cut and paste between them. >> >> But my fingers forget what my brain tells 'em, and I keep finding myself >> closing out an entire editing session, instead of just the one file I am >> interested in closing. :) >> >> Also, it would be nice to be able to hit NEW and have it ask for a >> file, it >> currently says it does not take any arguments. >> >> Thanks >> -Paul > > Paul, > > With all due respect, may I suggest that thus post should be repeated > in a topic by itself. Appending it onto this topic makes for a > confusing newsgroup thread. > > - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 14:55:50 +0000 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Message-ID: ----=_vm_0011_W1206919501_16782_1186412150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Paul, > >With all due respect, may I suggest that thus post should be repeated >in a topic by itself. Appending it onto this topic makes for a >confusing newsgroup thread. I think your newserver might be having a bit of a meltdown Bob - so far as I know, I did put this into a brand new never before used topic. You quoted the original post. How did it show up on your side? -Paul ----=_vm_0011_W1206919501_16782_1186412150-- ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 2007 12:10:03 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: YAEQ: Yet Another Editor Question Message-ID: In article <000001c7d773$2ea848e0$8bf8daa0$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: > How does one go about stringing multiple editor commands together and > binding them to say, a function key. Assuming you're using a TPU based editor, the quick way is to use EVE's learn command. For more complex problems, write a routine in TPU and bind it using EVE's define_key() routine. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.428 ************************