INFO-VAX Sun, 30 Sep 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 533 Contents: Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Re: wierd backup behavior Re: wierd backup behavior Re: wierd backup behavior Re: wierd backup behavior ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:15:25 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Message-ID: <46FEC06D.BB9DAE3A@spam.comcast.net> AEF wrote: > > On Sep 28, 5:35 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: > > In article , Ron Johnson writes: > > > Hi, > > > > > Something like F$GETJPI("", "TT_TERMCOLS")? > > > > > Or do I have to parse SHOW TERM/BRIEF ? > > > > You want to know what? The width? Usually that's the same as the > > default buffer size, which you can get from > > f$getdvi("tt:","devbufsiz") > > > > But sometimes it's not. I think you can't get it via lexicals when > > it's not and I don't know anyway to tell whether it is from DCL. > > When is it not? Sometimes the terminal may different from the SET > TERMINAL width, but the defbufsiz always gives the latter, no? In Reflection, I can change the screen width (Reflection's paradigm) without notifyting VMS (SET TERM/WIDTH). In R4 V10: Setup -> Display, select the "Screen" tab, choose the 80 or 132 radio btton as needed, hit OK. This sequence hasn't changed much from V9. Not sure about anything earlier. Funny thing... Doing it locally does -NOT- clear the screen! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:02:10 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: lexical for terminal attributes? Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > In Reflection, I can change the screen width > (Reflection's paradigm) without > notifyting VMS (SET TERM/WIDTH). I just tried this using the Putty VT-emulator. Using telnet against a 8.2 VMS system Right after login SH TERM shows "Width: 80, Page: 24" as expected, I guess. Now, if I simply rezise the window by only dragging the corner of if a bit down to the right, SHO TERM now says "Width: 104, Page: 38" (or whatever, depending on how much I resize the window). So it seems as Putty (and probably Reflection) is/are notifying VMS of any screen resizing. And when using SET TERM/WID, the windows screen also resizes to match the new setting. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:00:21 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: wierd backup behavior Message-ID: <46FEBCE5.86B9BF6A@spam.comcast.net> IanMiller wrote: > > On Sep 28, 1:38 am, Ron Johnson wrote: > >[snip] > > SLS is your friend. > > > > Damned shame HP isn't porting it to ia64. > > > > SLS is prehistoric. If you like it then migrate to TAPESYS (http:// > www.softwarepartners.com/) or use ABS (from HP) or consider one of the > other products ABS doesn't allow things that I have to do to make our backups run via SLS, such as *SBK.COM variables that are evaluated at run-time. See: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/powerpnt/hpw05_5008.ppt ..., especially slides 21 and 24 for examples of one approach. The current approach requires that the FILES_n[n] global symbols be assigned new values during the PRE-process .COM. ABS also does not allow that savesets can be assigned names by the user - only the ABS generated saveset names are allowed. This seriously inhibits bare-metal restores. You'd need a (machine-readable) cross reference of saveset names to their contents in order to be able to enable automation of bare-metal restores. Just part of the reason why ABS never took off like "they" wanted it to. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:05:44 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: wierd backup behavior Message-ID: In article <46FEBCE5.86B9BF6A@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > > >IanMiller wrote: >> >> On Sep 28, 1:38 am, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >[snip] >> > SLS is your friend. >> > >> > Damned shame HP isn't porting it to ia64. >> > >> >> SLS is prehistoric. If you like it then migrate to TAPESYS (http:// >> www.softwarepartners.com/) or use ABS (from HP) or consider one of the >> other products > >ABS doesn't allow things that I have to do to make our backups run via SLS, such >as *SBK.COM variables that are evaluated at run-time. > >See: >http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/powerpnt/hpw05_5008.ppt Can't see 'em. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:10:57 -0400 From: Brad Hamilton Subject: Re: wierd backup behavior Message-ID: <46FEA318.45D6E568@comcast.net> VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > In article <46FEBCE5.86B9BF6A@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera wrote: [...] > > > >ABS doesn't allow things that I have to do to make our backups run via SLS, such > >as *SBK.COM variables that are evaluated at run-time. > > > >See: > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/powerpnt/hpw05_5008.ppt > > Can't see 'em. Hi Brian, These presentations are also available as .PDF, viewable by Preview on my wife's iBook - just substitute .pdf for .ppt in the above link. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:47:43 -0400 From: Brad Hamilton Subject: Re: wierd backup behavior Message-ID: <46FEABDF.3B460EE6@comcast.net> Brad Hamilton wrote: > > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > > In article <46FEBCE5.86B9BF6A@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera wrote: > [...] > > > > > >ABS doesn't allow things that I have to do to make our backups run via SLS, such > > >as *SBK.COM variables that are evaluated at run-time. > > > > > >See: > > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/powerpnt/hpw05_5008.ppt > > > > Can't see 'em. > > Hi Brian, > > These presentations are also available as .PDF, viewable by Preview on > my wife's iBook - just substitute .pdf for .ppt in the above link. ..and substitute "acrobat" for "powerpnt". Or just go to the "support" page and click on the links there. :-) ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.533 ************************