INFO-VAX Sun, 27 Jan 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 54 Contents: Re: "file locked by another user" mystery Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Davos Re: Davos Re: Davos Re: F$UNIQUE library function Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: M$IE; was: DSPP Integrity remanufactured h/w... Re: Problem: DECterm and X.Org version: 1.4.0 Re: Problem: DECterm and X.Org version: 1.4.0 Re: Problem: DECterm and X.Org version: 1.4.0 Re: Using disk space on NAS? Re: Using disk space on NAS? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: "winston19842005@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: "file locked by another user" mystery Message-ID: On Jan 24, 11:33 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > > * An "asynchronous exit" is when the bouncer doesn't bother to open the > door before throwing you out! ROTFL! That is funny as hell! I need to remember that one! My fun when I took a position where we assumed production support duties for our application (amongst other duties) was that a lot of the command procedures didn't set the exit status or the DecScheduler symbols properly. Jobs would appear to complete successfully - an occasional sharp operator would alert us that Job x, which normally runs 45 minutes only took a minute, or such like. It took us some time to go through all the procedures and fix them up. Learned a lot from that (which I've mostly forgotten, I'm sure. Use it or lose it!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:36:40 +0100 From: Wilm Boerhout Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <479c3495$0$25487$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl> on 27-1-2008 4:59 Arne Vajhøj wrote... > How can it be a violation of the SIMH license ? > > It uses an BSD/MIT style license. Which in the very short version > says: you need to keep the copyright notice in the docs & code and > you can not blame the author for problems - anything else goes. I just re-read the SIMH license. You are correct. -- Wilm Boerhout Zwolle, NL remove OLD PAINT from return address to reply ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:47:04 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <479c381b$0$22097$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Total revenue increased from 91 B$ in 2006 to 104 B$ in 2007. > Somebody must be buying something from them ! One more reason why HP will have even less trouble abandonning VMS since its revenus will be smaller and smaller versus total revenus. Remember that HP refuses to release revenus generated by VMS and profits generated by VMS. We hear "stories" now and then, but never get official numbers. We do know that in 2006, VMS group mentioned installed base of 400,000. In 2007, they used the number 300,000. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:02:09 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schrieb: > > Can you quote a percentage? > Look at HP's publicly available results, some of them at openvms.org. BCS' revenue (i.e. all serious computing comprising HP-UX, NSK, VMS and what else is left from DEC) is less then $1B per quarter, compared to about $25B for the rest of HP. Overall margin is 8%, BCS has 9% (last time I checked, i.e spring 2007). So even being very optimistic and attributing some 25% of BCS to VMS related stuff, it is marginal in both revenue and profits. They could stop it tomorrow and the shareholders won't notice. Looking at those numbers they could even stop BCS altogether and it would appear only as some fluctuation in an ocean of ink. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2008 14:35:02 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <603j4mF1ospkfU1@mid.individual.net> In article , JKB writes: > Le 26-01-2008, à propos de > Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS?, > Bill Gunshannon écrivait dans comp.os.vms : >> In article , >> JKB writes: >>> Le 26-01-2008, à propos de >>> Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS?, >>> Bill Gunshannon écrivait dans comp.os.vms : >>>> In article , >>>> JKB writes: >>>>> >>>>>> If you want to know what I think the best solution is, (well, you >>>>>> probably don't, but I'll say it anyway) I think a group of people >>>>>> who are interested in the ability to run VMS programs and have the >>>>>> security and stability VMS offers should take something like NetBSD >>>>>> or OpenBSD and create a new tree. >>>>> >>>>> Why NetBSD or OpenBSD were better than Linux kernel ? >>>> >>>> 1. Because they are not infected with the GNU Public Virus >>> >>> Nope. If I write some code, I prefer this code cannot be used by >>> closed program. >> >> That's your priviledge. And totally irrelevant to my point. If you don't >> want to give your code away, stop calling it "free" cause it ain't. And >> don't expect me (or many others) to allow you to encumber our code. I >> prefer code that really is free. > > I repeat. If I write some code, I put it in public domain, but I > prefer this code cannot be included in close source project. Do you know what the term "public domain" means? You can not put something in the public domain and stillre strict it. (Believe it or not, that is exactly how this whole FSS/GNU fiasco began. Stallman didn't know either!!) > >>> >>>> 2. Because they actually use the 30-some years of computing research >>>> rather than re-inventing things (badly) because of NIH syndrome. >>> >>> I use NetBSD and NetBSD is not a good Unix kernel. I have debug some >>> feature in NetBSD/Sparc and I know this kernel very well. >> >> What's your point? There is no code in existant that doesn't have bugs. >> But at least they didn't ignore 30 years of research. I have used Linux >> and I have yet to find any Linux kernel that performs as well as any of >> the BSD kernels. Especially when it comes to networking stacks. > > NetBSD runs on i386 very well, but on sparc/sparc64, it is not > stable enough (for me). And is Linux? Wasn't the last time I tried it. > >>>> I'm sure if I gave it a few more minutes I could come up with more >>>> reasons, but those two alone are more than enough. especially if one >>>> expects this OS to be used in a commercial environement which I would >>>> expect was the reason for wanting a VMS clone in the first place. >>> >>> ? >>> >>>>> A such project >>>>> should start with an existant kernel and some patches against this >>>>> kernel to replace all old syscalls by new one that clone VMS. >>>> >>>> Rather than just tryng to use existing kernels it would be better of >>>> to split a new tree as it is unlikely that most of your changes would >>>> find their way back into the original tree and you would find yourself >>>> constantly patching and re-patching and in some cases even re-engineering >>>> patches to get around conflicting changes that will be made to the pure >>>> Unix source tree. >>> >>> FreeVMS kernel is not a patch against Linux kernel. >> >> You never answered my question. What percent is from the original Linux >> kernel and what percent is re-written as VMS? If it walks like a duck >> and quacks like a duck. > > You can check yourself. When one sidesteps the issue the answer is really rather obvious. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2008 14:39:09 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <603jcdF1ospkfU2@mid.individual.net> In article <479bf9b8$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article , >> JKB writes: >>>> If you want to know what I think the best solution is, (well, you >>>> probably don't, but I'll say it anyway) I think a group of people >>>> who are interested in the ability to run VMS programs and have the >>>> security and stability VMS offers should take something like NetBSD >>>> or OpenBSD and create a new tree. >>> Why NetBSD or OpenBSD were better than Linux kernel ? >> >> 1. Because they are not infected with the GNU Public Virus > > That is politics/ideology not technical. Did I say it wasn't? Just like in business, you have to look at the whole picture. > >> 2. Because they actually use the 30-some years of computing research >> rather than re-inventing things (badly) because of NIH syndrome. > > Hmm. What OS's were it that revived pcc to avoid using the existing > gcc ? I give up, what OSes? And what does that have to do with the statement above? Reusal to use GPL infected software is not NIH syndrome. Being dis-satisfied with the performance or code generated by GCC is not NIH syndrome (note: I do not know who you are talking about or why they actually changed, but I can guess at a few good reasons none related to NIH syndrome.) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 2008 14:44:40 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <603jmoF1ospkfU3@mid.individual.net> In article <479bfbc9$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > David J Dachtera wrote: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article , >>> Keith Parris writes: >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>>> Some of them. But the kernel has more than it's share of warts. >>>>> Just as an example, which kernel did they choose as their starting >>>>> point? A generic kernel or one with the NSA security patches? >>>> Start the FreeVMS project over with a *bsd kernel, and Bill G. will be >>>> its biggest supporter. ;-) >>> And just how would that be VMS any more than the current one is? It would >>> be BSD (like OSX) with a VMSy look and feel. If you want to clone VMS take >>> the VMS spec and clone it. Anything else will not be VMS. And considering >>> how much is not published, I would not hold my breath waiting for a VMS clone. >> >> So the old Internals and Data Structures book is no good? > > I am afraid that it would be too good. > > IDS covers more "how" than "what". > > A FreeVMS implementation that were following best practices of > today regarding protection against IP lawsuits would require > of their contributors not only never having seen VMS listings > but also never having read a book like IDS. I believe that depends on the availability of the book. If it is publicly published and contains only concepts and not code I see no reason it could not be used. Implementations can be copyrighted not concepts. And if the book is published and available to the public, then it is not "trade secret". Was the book openly available or only under NDA? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:53:06 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <479cd30e$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Total revenue increased from 91 B$ in 2006 to 104 B$ in 2007. >> Somebody must be buying something from them ! > > One more reason why HP will have even less trouble abandonning VMS since > its revenus will be smaller and smaller versus total revenus. Don't give them good ideas. > We do know that in 2006, VMS group mentioned installed base of 400,000. > In 2007, they used the number 300,000. The math is not that difficult. Let us say 100000 of those will not be replaced by a non VMS system, 100000 by replaced with a new VMS system and 100000 will continue to run in the next 5 years. 100000 * average price of system / 5 is not much in the big HP scheme. And I think that prognosis is rather optimistic. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:44:22 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Davos Message-ID: <479c3779$0$22097$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > Yep, the only thing the shareholders care about is the share price. > > How many shareholders quibble as to where it came from? Share price is dicatted more by what Wall Street Casino analysts say than what the actual performance is. For instance, if a company is unlucky enough to declare revenus that are half a penny below what the analysts had predicted, the share price thumbles. And yeah, Wall Street Casino analysts look at HP's performance: its ranking in the PC business, and the total profit. In other words: How well HP has done against Dell in selling the same gear (Intel machines with microsoft software), (sales) and how much ink HP has sold (profits). If the CEO of a large corporation is too shy to appear in events such as DAVOS, people will start wondering if he can be a true leader of a large corporation. There is a huge difference between a good administrator to make a company more efficient, and someone with vision and leadership to steer the company in the right direction. HP has benefited from a "administrator only" so far. But how long can HP continue if its leader is a shy guy without vision and not able to lead the company to new stuff, or justify taking risks such as rescussitating VMS ? If Hurd belives Stallard/Livermore's claims that VMS has no future and doesn't question them, it doesn't augur well for him as a real leader. I you take a real look into a post-Carly HP, what has Hurd really done except fix the mess Carly created ? (I don't wish to devalue that achievement, but the CEO is expected to be able to do more than that in the long term). Hurd has made a lot of staff cuts. When you look at VMS, someone with vision and ability to take risks would have increased engineering levels at VMS to bring it back to life. This would have been especially easy since VMS had already been inflated to handle the port to that IA64 contraption, so it would have been the matter of keeping already hired staff on for a couple more years to give VMS a chance to catch up. If Hurd is a "fix it and leave" type of engagement at HP, his lack of vision will have left VMS in a state that is next to impossible to recover from. He will have fixed the PC and ink business, but what has he done with the rest ? Remember that stock price fluctuates with today's weather. Wall Street Casino analysts don't look at long term strategies, they only look at next quarter figures. It takes a charismatic leader capable of speaking in public to give those casino analysts confidence that long term decisions or risks taken by the CEO will pay off. Otherwise, they will chastise him for reckless spending. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:45:21 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Davos Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > > If the CEO of a large corporation is too shy to appear in events such as > DAVOS, people will start wondering if he can be a true leader of a large > corporation. what people ? I think everybody knows that Davos is just a glamour event. The "talks" between those "world leaders" are just drivel and won't help a bit to solve the worlds most urgent problems, i.e. climate change, dwindling resources and resulting greed and violence. It's not even worth to protest against Davos. Other big companies are absent as well (e.g. IBM AFAIK, has Gerstner ever been there BTW ?) > If Hurd belives Stallard/Livermore's claims that VMS has no future and > doesn't question them, it doesn't augur well for him as a real leader. Oh come on, don't be ridiculous. Taking care about an OS with minuscule market share as qualification for being a "world leader" ? > If Hurd is a "fix it and leave" type of engagement at HP, his lack of > vision will have left VMS in a state that is next to impossible to > recover from. He will have fixed the PC and ink business, but what has > he done with the rest ? What rest ? BCS is less than 4% of HP, and in their view there is nothing be be fixed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:25:48 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Davos Message-ID: <479cbe97$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > Main, Kerry wrote: >> Yep, the only thing the shareholders care about is the share price. >> >> How many shareholders quibble as to where it came from? > > Share price is dicatted more by what Wall Street Casino analysts say > than what the actual performance is. > > For instance, if a company is unlucky enough to declare revenus that are > half a penny below what the analysts had predicted, the share price > thumbles. Short term fluctuations are psychology. But long term trends are all about making money. > If the CEO of a large corporation is too shy to appear in events such as > DAVOS, people will start wondering if he can be a true leader of a large > corporation. How many of the worlds 100 biggest companies has their leader present at Davos ? > If Hurd belives Stallard/Livermore's claims that VMS has no future and > doesn't question them, it doesn't augur well for him as a real leader. The reality is that VMS revenue is peanuts in the big HP context. And it seems to me that the idea of VMS starting to grow rapidly in revenue and profit is more wishful thinking than analysis of the possibilities. > I you take a real look into a post-Carly HP, what has Hurd really done > except fix the mess Carly created ? (I don't wish to devalue that > achievement, but the CEO is expected to be able to do more than that in > the long term). > > Hurd has made a lot of staff cuts. When you look at VMS, someone with > vision and ability to take risks would have increased engineering levels > at VMS to bring it back to life. Do you have a marketing survey backing that or are you just guessing ? > If Hurd is a "fix it and leave" type of engagement at HP, his lack of > vision will have left VMS in a state that is next to impossible to > recover from. He will have fixed the PC and ink business, but what has > he done with the rest ? > It takes a charismatic leader capable of speaking in public to give > those casino analysts confidence that long term decisions or risks taken > by the CEO will pay off. Otherwise, they will chastise him for reckless > spending. Have you been leading many multi billion companies since you seem to be such an expert on how a good CEO act ? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:40:22 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Message-ID: <479cd010$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> yyyc186 wrote: > On Jan 24, 8:51 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> SharePoint run in IIS, so they have to be on the same box. > > SharePoint, now THERE is a God-awful product no professional would > have designed, developed, or worked on. That thing must be where the > team from Microsoft Bob went. It is getting very popular these days. It seems to meet customers requirements. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:31:44 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: So, got a MX042 kit from Arne Vajhøj that installed just fine. Now trying to setup a few mail-lists, and I have a few problems. I might be something simple, but I can't find out what I'm missing... I have installed the following modules : > You have selected the following components: > > Base MX software > NETLIB network support > Mailing List/File Server support > LISTSERV interface support That is, *not* the "SMTP interface support" since I thought that the TCPIP Services SMTP parts would take care of that. (Right or wrong ?) Now, adding lists is OK. Subscribing and "using" the list from local users is OK. But using the list from internet-users does not work. I have tried the "$ MCP> SET ROUTER /NOPERCENT_HACK" but that didn't helped. When I subcribe from the internet, the member address is registred without the "smtp%" prefix. And I have not found any way to tell MX to add that when sending mails from the list. I'm lost. Any clues ? Best Regards, Jan-Erik. (Trying to get a little more tech content to c.o.v...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:58:47 -0700 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: M$IE; was: DSPP Integrity remanufactured h/w... Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > Meanwhile my kids are running into trouble with their friends > emailing them .docx, .xlsx, ... files from Office Vista. I haven't heard of an "Office Vista" version -- you are probably receiving documents from Office 2007. There's a free compatability pack from Microsoft to allow earlier versions of Office to read the new document formats: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101686761033.aspx Or you could install OpenOffice from http://OpenOffice.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:29:24 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Problem: DECterm and X.Org version: 1.4.0 Message-ID: <479c33f6$0$5826$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mark Daniel wrote: > Under X.Org 1.4.0 running on FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE using KDE 3.5.8 as the > desktop, a DECterm running on VMS V8.3 (and on V7.3, so it's not a > recent VMS phenomenon) experiences short (one to a few seconds) pauses > during focus events. If your X terminal sends requests to a VMS app that doesn't understand them, it could be the cause of a pause. But it should be consistant though (a timeout at the X terminal side). Have you established any pattern on the refocus event in terms of how much work in needed on the window ? (complete redraw, partial redraw etc). has the data changed in the window while it was in the background ? Have you tried to do a SHOW PROC/CONT on both the DECW$TE_xxxx controller process as well as the _FTA4: (the DCL process) while this is happening ? Have you checked if the X terminal has the backing store enabled ? Perhaps this might make the difference since any window coming back to foreground would require a real redraw from the remote client. FWIW: If I use "editres" on the mac to display the resources used by XEV running on VMS but displayed on the mac, I get: > EnterNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x800001, > root 0x57, subw 0x0, time 34309512, (106,127), root:(2482,522), > mode NotifyUngrab, detail NotifyAncestor, same_screen YES, > focus NO, state 0 > > KeymapNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x0, > keys: 87 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > ClientMessage event, serial 18, synthetic YES, window 0x800001, > message_type 0xe4 (Editres), format 32 After that, the XEV window is "active" again and displays all mouse motion etc. But it never responds to the Editres ClientMessage event. Is it possible that your client would be sending some X command that DECW$terminal might not understand (or take a long time to respond, during which, the DECW$TE_xxx wouldn't be ready to handle the contents of the DECW$terminal display. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:26:28 +1030 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: Problem: DECterm and X.Org version: 1.4.0 Message-ID: <13posdtt30ena89@corp.supernews.com> JF Mezei wrote: > Mark Daniel wrote: > >>Under X.Org 1.4.0 running on FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE using KDE 3.5.8 as the >>desktop, a DECterm running on VMS V8.3 (and on V7.3, so it's not a >>recent VMS phenomenon) experiences short (one to a few seconds) pauses >>during focus events. > > If your X terminal sends requests to a VMS app that doesn't understand > them, it could be the cause of a pause. But it should be consistant > though (a timeout at the X terminal side). > > Have you established any pattern on the refocus event in terms of how > much work in needed on the window ? (complete redraw, partial redraw > etc). has the data changed in the window while it was in the background ? Change of focus (following cursor). Click on any part of terminal window once focused. No pattern. Not obvious anyway. I would say on average half of activities in the terminal window result in a pause. > Have you tried to do a SHOW PROC/CONT on both the DECW$TE_xxxx > controller process as well as the _FTA4: (the DCL process) while this is > happening ? Yes. Seems quiescent. > Have you checked if the X terminal has the backing store enabled ? > Perhaps this might make the difference since any window coming back to > foreground would require a real redraw from the remote client. Enabled on both (I should have included those lines from xdpyinfo). > FWIW: > > If I use "editres" on the mac to display the resources used by XEV > running on VMS but displayed on the mac, I get: > >>EnterNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x800001, >> root 0x57, subw 0x0, time 34309512, (106,127), root:(2482,522), >> mode NotifyUngrab, detail NotifyAncestor, same_screen YES, >> focus NO, state 0 >> >>KeymapNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x0, >> keys: 87 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> >>ClientMessage event, serial 18, synthetic YES, window 0x800001, >> message_type 0xe4 (Editres), format 32 I was running the xev on VMS for the XP based display server and on FreeBSD for the X.Org based server. It shouldn't matter considering xev is interacting with the X display server not the client system. > After that, the XEV window is "active" again and displays all mouse > motion etc. But it never responds to the Editres ClientMessage event. > > > > Is it possible that your client would be sending some X command that > DECW$terminal might not understand (or take a long time to respond, > during which, the DECW$TE_xxx wouldn't be ready to handle the contents > of the DECW$terminal display. Entirely. Perhaps some extension (which is why I listed them). Not being anything other than a user of the X Window System I was hoping that xev would be showing the essentials of what was going on under-the-hood. A pause is odd. An ACCVIO or some other bugcheck perhaps. An indeterminate pause? Hmmm. Thanks for you input. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:29:19 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Problem: DECterm and X.Org version: 1.4.0 Message-ID: <479ca47d$0$4323$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mark Daniel wrote: >> Have you tried to do a SHOW PROC/CONT on both the DECW$TE_xxxx >> controller process as well as the _FTA4: (the DCL process) while this is >> happening ? > > Yes. Seems quiescent. One would need Mr FredK in here to describe what could happen. When an application on VMS displays on a remote X terminal, does the process on VMS take care of all of the X protocol from the application code all the way to the final QIO that sends a packet out the ethernet ? In the case of DECterm however, there are 2 processes involved. The DECterm controller process and the actual DCL process. Between the controller and DCL process, I believe it is the pseudo terminal interface being used (the FTA devices). This should not be affected by the typoe of X terminal being used. But the controller process might be waiting for something to happen, hence the freeze. Do you have multiple DECterms opened ? (if I remember correctly, a decterm can support 4 DCL sessions). Would the controller (the DECW_TExxx) be in LEF state or HIB during the stall ? > I was running the xev on VMS for the XP based display server and on > FreeBSD for the X.Org based server. It shouldn't matter considering xev > is interacting with the X display server not the client system. If XEV is running on VMS, it is using the older VMS X routines to send and receive to the X terminal. So yes it matters in that it may or may not know about certain events. On the other hand, XEV on my VMS (8.3 alpha) was able to show me the editres event, even though applications on VMS don't seem to respond to those packets. > that xev would be showing the essentials of what was going on > under-the-hood. A pause is odd. An ACCVIO or some other bugcheck > perhaps. An indeterminate pause? Hmmm. You need a magic incantation to get Mr FredK to come out of the woodwork and give you guidance on this. Perhaps there are magic logical names that would make the debugging easier. BTW, do the pauses happen only when you change focus to the decterm ? Or do they happen also once you are in focus and type away various commands ? Another thing you may try: Type an extremely log file on the decterm. Leave to another window, and return to the decterm. See if the scrolling pauses for those seconds, or if the scrolling of text continues even if the display is unresponsive. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:21:12 +0100 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" Subject: Re: Using disk space on NAS? Message-ID: "Gremlin" wrote in message news:13po9tadeiv4t85@corp.supernews.com... > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: >> Gremlin wrote: ... >>> So, best of luck and if you can get a VMS client to connect and use >>> files from an NFS server on Linux/Windows, please let me know how you >>> did it - and perhaps the ITRC thread(s) as well!!! >> I use it regulary at home with no problem. Usualy there are problems with username mappings and proxies. And don't forhet to put NFS servers hostnames into host local database on TCPIP with ADD HOST. >> On the other hand, I think I found a bug in the LD Driver, I was able to >> accidentally type the wrong command and unmount the NFS volume out from >> under a logical disk which has LDA1: in an unusable state. Use the latest LD driver V9. If still has a bug, report it to Jur van de Burg. >> >> An additional problem is that it looks like there might be a 1 or 2GB >> file >> limit in there somewhere. I'm still doing testing. So I'm not sure >> quite >> what is going wrong here. It is either with NFS, or the LD Driver. TCPIP NFS client only support V2 NFS protocol that impose 2GB limit. >> >> Zane >> > Actually, mounting is no problem but trying to *read* the NFS-served data > fails with a timeout. As noted, there are several ITRC threads about this > with no solution - sigh..... Mount it with /NOADF qualifier and it will work. There is a bug in MS NFS server implementation that broke negotiation between server and client and MS is not willing to correct it. Best, Gorazd ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:59:08 +0100 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: Using disk space on NAS? Message-ID: <479c55ec$0$85796$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> > On the other hand, I think I found a bug in the LD Driver, I was able to > accidentally type the wrong command and unmount the NFS volume out from > under a logical disk which has LDA1: in an unusable state. If you can reproduce this with LD V9.0 then please let me know the details, preferably with a reproducer. NFS connected container files have had limited testing, and there could still be a problem. > An additional problem is that it looks like there might be a 1 or 2GB file > limit in there somewhere. I'm still doing testing. So I'm not sure quite > what is going wrong here. It is either with NFS, or the LD Driver. Again, it could be an issue with big files but it may be outside the control of LD. Just le me know and I will see what I can do. Jur. healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > Gremlin wrote: >> JF has had (some) success using VMS as an NFS server for connecting his >> Mac to it. I believe that others may have connected a VMS client to an >> NFS share. > > He's had an amazing amount of luck with this, though I have to wonder if as > he does more testing problems won't crop up. > >> However, for more than 2 years I have *not* been able to connect a VMS >> client (up to v8.2) to an NFS share served by Linux (Ubuntu, RedHat and >> SuSE) or Windows Server (2000, 2003 and 2003R2). This group and ITRC >> can't provide assistance and the ITRC thread(s) about this have many >> people with the same problem but noone with a solution. > >> It appears that the TCPIP stack from HP may be broken/sub-optimal or it >> may be a VMS peculiarity - I certainly don't know and this group and >> ITRC don't appear to either. > >> So, best of luck and if you can get a VMS client to connect and use >> files from an NFS server on Linux/Windows, please let me know how you >> did it - and perhaps the ITRC thread(s) as well!!! > > Well I don't have an NFS server on Linux or Windows, however, I've had no > problems connecting to OpenBSD or FreeBSD. > > TCPIP> mount dnfs1: data1 /path="/mnt/data.1" /host="nas02" /system > %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-S-MOUNTED, /mnt/data.1 mounted on _DNFS1:[000000] > > On the other hand, I think I found a bug in the LD Driver, I was able to > accidentally type the wrong command and unmount the NFS volume out from > under a logical disk which has LDA1: in an unusable state. > > An additional problem is that it looks like there might be a 1 or 2GB file > limit in there somewhere. I'm still doing testing. So I'm not sure quite > what is going wrong here. It is either with NFS, or the LD Driver. > > Zane > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.054 ************************