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US election and constitution question Re: Seagate 12/24 GB Scorpion STD624000N Setting a console environment variable Re: Setting a console environment variable Re: VT100 standards and EDT Re: VT100 standards and EDT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:07:46 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Subject: Re: Help with OpenVMS - Apache - User Login Through the Browser Message-ID: On Feb 4, 9:28=A0pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: "Muehlbauer, Jeffrey" > > > I've made the appropriate changes (I think) to =3D > > APACHE$ROOT:[CONF]HTTPD.CONF, created the directory [.PUBLIC_HTTP] under= =3D > > the users home directory (and set the protections) and created the =3D > > HTACCESS file, > > =A0 =A0What were those "appropriate changes"? > > > =A0I just cant log in through the browser. > > =A0 =A0What happens when you try what? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > =A0 =A0Steven M. Schweda =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 sms@antinode-org > =A0 =A0382 South Warwick Street =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(+1) 651-699-9818 > =A0 =A0Saint Paul =A0MN =A055105-2547 You need to use VMS authentication methods in the HTTP.CONF file :- LoadModule auth_openvms_module /apache$common/modules/ mod_auth_openvms.exe_alpha AuthType Basic AuthName "VMS Logon" AuthOpenVMSAuthoritative On AuthOpenVMSGroup off AuthOpenVMSUser On require valid-user Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from all Not sure how to hook this up to the '~' for the home directory, but it will give you VMS authentication at least. See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_iguide_211.pd= f ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:02:28 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: JF Mezei skrev: > Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> But I'm not saying that the collection isn't impressive, I'm just saying that >> it's not impressive enough to be a world wide landmark (yet). > > > Nobody outside of the VMS community knows what "ZKO" is. It certaintly > isn't a world landmark. But inside the VMS community, ZKO is like Mecca. > It was a holy site to the VMS community where the VMS gods worked their > magic. > > > Similarly, Mr VAXman's cave isn't a world landmark, but to the > comp.os.vms community, it is a landmark. So why was it that several people didn't get that remark, even though they know what ZKO is? I'm simply questioning your claim. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: 05 Feb 2008 18:19:45 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: <47a8a8c1$0$25056$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Johnny Billquist writes: >JF Mezei skrev: >> Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >>> But I'm not saying that the collection isn't impressive, I'm just saying that >>> it's not impressive enough to be a world wide landmark (yet). >> >> >> Nobody outside of the VMS community knows what "ZKO" is. It certaintly >> isn't a world landmark. But inside the VMS community, ZKO is like Mecca. >> It was a holy site to the VMS community where the VMS gods worked their >> magic. >> >> >> Similarly, Mr VAXman's cave isn't a world landmark, but to the >> comp.os.vms community, it is a landmark. > >So why was it that several people didn't get that remark, even though they know >what ZKO is? I'm simply questioning your claim. :-) Perhaps it's because they are newcomers or thay have not been following c.o.v. for 10 years or more. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:41:30 -0800 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: HSG80 bits for free Message-ID: <47a883ac$1@flight> I have a couple of unopened HSG80 ACS 8.82F firmware cards up for grabs (with upgrade license paperwork) if anyone is interested. I also have several spare HSG80 processor cards, cache modules (without memory), emu modules etc. If you want any of it email me: dunnett at mala dot bc dot ca. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Feb 2008 13:54:53 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OMFG. A Usenet post of mine cited in a patent Message-ID: <47a86aad$0$25032$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Tim Williams" writes: >And he didn't even get the date right: >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/bfb510bb551141 >28/466fb5c83d9f1f47?lnk=st&q=deleting+files+permanently#466fb5c83d9f1f47 Fer shits and giggles, I put my name into that same search and found that I was cited in a patent application as well. No, even though I am an old Pennsylvania farm boy, it is not any of the patents for horseshoeing that turned up. :) It wasn't a usenet post though. Not bad for a VMS ignorant, drooling, cytoplasmic mass prior to '94... or so it was. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Shoppa Subject: Re: OMFG. A Usenet post of mine cited in a patent Message-ID: <0247f2be-c92b-4c37-9d6a-ddc985634f42@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com> On Feb 4, 9:13=A0pm, Winfield wrote: > =A0Setting all that aside, the appearance of a usenet post > =A0held up as prior art is encouraging. =A0It's often painfully > =A0difficult to show obviousness, because obvious ideas often > =A0don't get published (and they shouldn't get patented!), > =A0but hey, they may get discussed on the usenet! Still doesn't fly, Win. What I wrote has almost nothing to do with the patent application. Well, I mention backup tapes, and deleting, but how is that relevant? Now, I do look at the Citation Index at my academic papers still being cited 10, 15 years later, just to make sure they understood what I wrote, too :-). Tim. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:36:10 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: OMFG. A Usenet post of mine cited in a patent Message-ID: <4042e7bc-b5d2-46f8-b6b6-f6dbb50250eb@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com> On Feb 5, 8:54=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "Tim Williams" writes: > >And he didn't even get the date right: > >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/bfb510bb... > >28/466fb5c83d9f1f47?lnk=3Dst&q=3Ddeleting+files+permanently#466fb5c83d9f1= f47 > > Fer shits and giggles, I put my name into that same search and found that > I was cited in a patent application as well. Bah humbug. Did not find myself. Did find a 'patent' for what patently must be the worst possible way to implement a prioritiezed work queue using RMS indexed files. Yuck. This patent stuff is really a silly business. Where is common sense in all of this? Oh well... http://www.google.com/patents?id=3DwSckAAAAEBAJ&pg=3DPA1&dq=3Dindexed+rms#PP= P1,M1 Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:43:58 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47a71ac2$0$15792$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? Yes. Anyone who is vice-president must be able to be president, since he is first in line if the president can't do his job. This is NOT the case for those further down the line---they just get skipped over (Madeline Albright, for example, was pretty close to the top, but would have been skipped over since she was foreign born). After FDR, there was an amendment saying that a president could be elected to that office only twice (consecutively or not---non-consecutive two-termers have existed, but before FDR). An open question is whether someone who has been two terms already could again become president through succession, say if Hillary wins and Bill is vice-president, since he wouldn't have been ELECTED more than twice. I think it's fair to say that this is a rather hypothetical question, since presidents of the USA (in contrast to leaders of other countries, who often remain MPs for years after their stint as leader) tend to leave public office after having been president. > Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just > for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: Not possible (see above). It is possible, of course, that someone changes the constitution---I think some congressman is already working on a lex schwarzennegeri. Note also that if the VP goes away, the succession does NOT apply. Rockefeller left office, and Ford was appointed. Since Nixon then left office, Ford became president, having been elected neither as president nor as vice president. > If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the > speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the > president ? No, they are skipped. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:45:50 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47a76edd$0$15806$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > > No one can hold the office of Vice President that is not qualified > > to the office of President (so says the US Constitution). So yes, > > it applies. > > Thanks guys. Clear answer. > > Except for "natural born": Does this mean that someone born though > cesarian would be ineligible for President ? :-) No, but it means he automatically assumes the title of Emperor upon entering office. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:46:39 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > There was a guy in Sweden (with too much money) that flew his > wife to the US a couple of weeks before she was to "deliver", > *just* so that his boy/girl shouldn't be excluded from beeing > president of the USA sometimes in the future. They flew back > "home" again shortly after the delivery... It is not uncommon for couples to have their children intentionally born in a country which grants citizenship based on birth in that country. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 09:52:46 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47a76edd$0$15806$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > Except for "natural born": Does this mean that someone born though > cesarian would be ineligible for President ? :-) I think it means no George W. Bush clones! 8-) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 10:14:47 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <00A74AD8.4A7A25E3@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) writes: > > This is the wrong time of the world to make jokes about the invisibility or > insignficance of the Vice President. Despite spending far more time in > "undisclosed locations" than any previous Veep, Mr. Cheney is considerably > higher profile, and evidently more influential, than any previous Veep while in > office (although Gore was also a more visible veep while *he* was in office > than had been the norm up to that point.) Which should be expected. When W. was the Govenor of Texas, the Lieutenant Govenor was doing all the work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: On Feb 4, 8:21 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Doug Phillips wrote on 02/04/2008 04:24:58 PM: > > On Feb 4, 2:39 pm, Maverick wrote: > > > > McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Does that disqualify him? > > > Both his parents were american. > > > In 1790 the First Congress declared: > > > "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born > > beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be > > considered as natural born citizens." > > I believe such a child must live inside the limits of the U.S. for > 5 years before attaining age 21 to claim citizenship. Maybe, I don't know, but it would likely be stated in Title 8 of the U.S.Code, Section 1401: if anyone really needs to know and is brave enough or bored enough to venture into that world. Here's an easier link without the full Chapter 12 and all of the source and amendments at Cornell (slow link, might not load): or this link at onecle (faster): Some nice, light reading on a sleepless night (yawn...snore.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:48:12 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article , Maverick writes: > McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Does that disqualify him? > Both his parents were american. The United States' territory is not just the 50 states; it also includes Puerto Rico, Guam etc (the people who live there are citizens of the US, can vote etc). If the Canal Zone then had the same status as Puerto Rico now, then presumably he is eligible. I'm sure he's checked this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:50:46 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47A7BB92.5010508@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > My uncle had dual U.S./Japanese citizenship, having been born in Kobe of > U.S. parents. At age 21 he had to decide between the two. AFAIK it's > still the case that minors must resolve dual citizenship on reaching > their majority! It depends on the two citizenships in question. In most cases, they must decide if one is due to birth in a country which provides citizenship at birth, but NOT if they have dual citizenship due to the fact that the parents had different citizenships. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 04:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: "sgallagher@rogers.com" Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <3463d5a1-6373-4aae-ad19-e44d5255286b@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> > > My uncle had dual U.S./Japanese citizenship, having been born in Kobe of > U.S. parents. =A0At age 21 he had to decide between the two. =A0AFAIK it's= > still the case that minors must resolve dual citizenship on reaching > their majority! Japan has such a requirement (to choose only one citizenship upon reaching adulthood), but contrary to what many people believe, the US does not. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:05:13 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <47a8523f$0$16196$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Since we're OT. In a Nov 4th election, if I recall correctly, about 60% of eligible voters vote. On today "Super tuesday", roughly what percentage of the total eligible voters end up voting in either party's race ? And roughly what percentage of eligible voters would have officially registered their political affiliation with their government to give them the right to vite in the primaries ? In other words, during the primaries, are the choices made representative of only a small minority of people, or do they represent a sizeable and representative chunk of the electorate ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 04:30:43 -0800 (PST) From: "sgallagher@rogers.com" Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. Actually the Constitution requires the president to be a "natural born citizen". This has been interpreted, albeit not by any court, as meaning a person born with US citizenship, which includes persons born in the US and most people born outside the US to one or two US citizen parent(s). > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? Yes. The US Constitution's twelfth amendment states that no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President. > Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just > or the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: Unless this fictional Austrian born Vice President has been a US citizen from the moment of his birth, he would not have been able to become vice president in the first place. This would require that he received his US citizenship through one or both of his parents being a US citizen. If he were a naturalized US citizen, then he would not be eligible to hold the office of vice president. > Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job going > to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this situation as > president (but not allowed to run for president when the term expires) ? Again, he would not be skipped because he couldn't be VP unless he was eligible to be president. > If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the > speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the > president ? The natural born citizen requirement applies to whomever is sworn in as president, and via the twelfth amendment to any one who is the vice president. Anyone further down in the sequence of replacements for the president does not have to meet the natural born citizen requirement to hold the office that they were currently holding, but they would be skipped over if the circumstances ever arose that they had to assume the presidency. One example of this is former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who is a naturalized US citizen. The Secretary of State is the fourth person in the line of succession after the Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President Pro-Tempore of the Senate. Because she was a naturalized citizen it made her ineligible to be president, and if the situation had ever arisen that the Secretary of State had to assume the presidency, she would have been passed over to the next in line, which is the Secretary of the Treasury. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 04:33:02 -0800 (PST) From: "sgallagher@rogers.com" Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <8fdd5031-5326-4d7d-a568-da6287613ebf@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Feb 4, 9:21=A0pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Doug Phillips wrote on 02/04/2008 04:24:58 PM: > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2:39 pm, Maverick wrote: > > > Bob Gezelter wrote: > > > > On Feb 4, 8:59 am, JF Mezei wrote: > > > >> Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can > provide > > > >> a serious answer. > > > > >> I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have > been > > > >> born in the USA. > > > > >> Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? > > > > >> Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold > just > > > >> for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes > incapacitated: > > > > >> Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job > going > > > >> to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this > situation as > > > >> president (but not allowed to run for president when the term > expires) ? > > > > >> If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to > the > > > >> speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for= > the > > > >> president ? > > > > > JF, > > > > > In a word: NO. > > > > > The eligibility rules for Vice President are the same as the rules > for > > > > President (e.g., native citizen, age). > > > > > In the original (unamended) Constitution, the second place finish in= > > > > the Presidential election, an arrangement which had, shall we say, > > > > problems (e.g., President/Vice President from different parties and > > > > who were opponents in the election). This was changed by the XXIIth > > > > Amendment (1803, ratified 1804). > > > > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com > > > > McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. =A0Does that disqualify him?= > > > Both his parents were american. > > > In 1790 the First Congress declared: > > > "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born > > beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be > > considered as natural born citizens." > > I believe such a child must live inside the limits of the U.S. for > 5 years before attaining age 21 to claim citizenship. There was such a requirement for a child of US citizens, born abroad, to return to the US to live if he wanted to retain his US citizenship. But it no longer applies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:26:40 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: "sgallagher@rogers.com" writes: >> My uncle had dual U.S./Japanese citizenship, having been born in Kobe of >> U.S. parents. =A0At age 21 he had to decide between the two. =A0AFAIK it's= >> still the case that minors must resolve dual citizenship on reaching >> their majority! >Japan has such a requirement (to choose only one citizenship upon >reaching adulthood), >but contrary to what many people believe, the US does not. The US did at one time. My father had to choose between the US and Canada when he turned 18 (I think it was 18). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:34:56 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004A9E1E852573E6_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "sgallagher@rogers.com" wrote on 02/05/2008 07:33:02 AM: > On Feb 4, 9:21 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > Doug Phillips wrote on 02/04/2008 04:24:58 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2:39 pm, Maverick wrote: > > > > Bob Gezelter wrote: > > > > > On Feb 4, 8:59 am, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > >> Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can > > provide > > > > >> a serious answer. > > > > > > >> I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have > > been > > > > >> born in the USA. > > > > > > >> Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? > > > > > > >> Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold > > just > > > > >> for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes > > incapacitated: > > > > > > >> Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job > > going > > > > >> to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this > > situation as > > > > >> president (but not allowed to run for president when the term > > expires) ? > > > > > > >> If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to > > the > > > > >> speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for > > the > > > > >> president ? > > > > > > > JF, > > > > > > > In a word: NO. > > > > > > > The eligibility rules for Vice President are the same as the rules > > for > > > > > President (e.g., native citizen, age). > > > > > > > In the original (unamended) Constitution, the second place finish in > > > > > the Presidential election, an arrangement which had, shall we say, > > > > > problems (e.g., President/Vice President from different parties and > > > > > who were opponents in the election). This was changed by the XXIIth > > > > > Amendment (1803, ratified 1804). > > > > > > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com > > > > > > McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Does that disqualify him? > > > > Both his parents were american. > > > > > In 1790 the First Congress declared: > > > > > "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born > > > beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be > > > considered as natural born citizens." > > > > I believe such a child must live inside the limits of the U.S. for > > 5 years before attaining age 21 to claim citizenship. > > There was such a requirement for a child of US citizens, born abroad, > to return to the US to live if he wanted to retain his US citizenship. > But it no longer applies. Thanks. Good to know. I'll unbelieve that from now on. --=_alternative 004A9E1E852573E6_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"



"sgallagher@rogers.com" <sgallagher@rogers.com> wrote on 02/05/2008 07:33:02 AM:

> On Feb 4, 9:21 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote:
> > Doug Phillips <dphil...@netscape.net> wrote on 02/04/2008 04:24:58 PM:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 4, 2:39 pm, Maverick <Maver...@sun.org> wrote:
> > > > Bob Gezelter wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 4, 8:59 am, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> > > > >> Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can
> > provide
> > > > >> a serious answer.
> >
> > > > >> I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have
> > been
> > > > >> born in the USA.
> >
> > > > >> Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ?
> >
> > > > >> Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold
> > just
> > > > >> for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes
> > incapacitated:
> >
> > > > >> Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job
> > going
> > > > >> to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this
> > situation as
> > > > >> president (but not allowed to run for president when the term
> > expires) ?
> >
> > > > >> If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to
> > the
> > > > >> speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for
> > the
> > > > >> president ?
> >
> > > > > JF,
> >
> > > > > In a word: NO.
> >
> > > > > The eligibility rules for Vice President are the same as the rules
> > for
> > > > > President (e.g., native citizen, age).
> >
> > > > > In the original (unamended) Constitution, the second place finish in
> > > > > the Presidential election, an arrangement which had, shall we say,
> > > > > problems (e.g., President/Vice President from different parties and
> > > > > who were opponents in the election). This was changed by the XXIIth
> > > > > Amendment (1803, ratified 1804).
> >
> > > > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com
> >
> > > > McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.  Does that disqualify him?
> > > > Both his parents were american.
> >
> > > In 1790 the First Congress declared:
> >
> > > "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born
> > > beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be
> > > considered as natural born citizens."
> >
> > I believe such a child must live inside the limits of the U.S. for
> > 5 years before attaining age 21 to claim citizenship.
>
> There was such a requirement for a child of US citizens, born abroad,
> to return to the US to live if he wanted to retain his US citizenship.
> But it no longer applies.

Thanks.  Good to know.  I'll unbelieve that from now on. --=_alternative 004A9E1E852573E6_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:07:25 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <9504f183-50db-48ec-b78e-9c3e7a73245f@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: >On Feb 4, 2:39 pm, Maverick wrote: >> Bob Gezelter wrote: >> > On Feb 4, 8:59 am, JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide >> >> a serious answer. >> >> >> I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been >> >> born in the USA. >> >> >> Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? >> >> >> Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just >> >> for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: >> >> >> Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job going >> >> to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this situation as >> >> president (but not allowed to run for president when the term expires) ? >> >> >> If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the >> >> speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the >> >> president ? >> >> > JF, >> >> > In a word: NO. >> >> > The eligibility rules for Vice President are the same as the rules for >> > President (e.g., native citizen, age). >> >> > In the original (unamended) Constitution, the second place finish in >> > the Presidential election, an arrangement which had, shall we say, >> > problems (e.g., President/Vice President from different parties and >> > who were opponents in the election). This was changed by the XXIIth >> > Amendment (1803, ratified 1804). >> >> > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com >> >> McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Does that disqualify him? >> Both his parents were american. > >In 1790 the First Congress declared: > >"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born >beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be >considered as natural born citizens." You missed off "Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States" without that proviso, and similar modern provisos, you had a recursive definition which would have allowed anyone who had an American citizen anywhere in their ancestry to claim citizenship. See http://www.awccs.org/vote/passuscitizenship.pdf David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 10:01:01 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article , Maverick writes: > > McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Does that disqualify him? > Both his parents were american. The Panama Canal Zone was lawfull territory of the United States at the time he was born, so yes, he qualifies. This also came up in the case of Adali Stevenson, he was born in an American embassy in a foreign country (Mexico?), also lawfull territory of the United States. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 10:02:51 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <9ScmaDuNVZJj@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > Time to amend the Constitution to get rid of the natural born requirement > and at the same time make children of illegal entrants non-citizens. > The reasons for both rules is - like the helium stockpile - past its time. I have no problem with the latter, but it doens't take changing the Constitution, just Federal Law. The former I'll keep as is. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 10:06:29 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47A7BB92.5010508@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > My uncle had dual U.S./Japanese citizenship, having been born in Kobe of > U.S. parents. At age 21 he had to decide between the two. AFAIK it's > still the case that minors must resolve dual citizenship on reaching > their majority! They can also change it. A friend of mine was born in the US to a former alien. Upon becoming an adult she obtained dual citizenship by filing with the foriegn government. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 10:11:21 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47a8523f$0$16196$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > And roughly what percentage of eligible voters would have officially > registered their political affiliation with their government to give > them the right to vite in the primaries ? The requirements for voter registration for a primary election vary a great deal from state to state. For example, in Maryland there is a cutoff date for changing parties before a primary and only party members can vote. But minors can vote if they will reach majority before the general election. This little detail was changed last year and a young woman affected by this change lead the fight to put it back. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 10:13:12 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > > The US did at one time. My father had to choose between the US and Canada > when he turned 18 (I think it was 18). The US used to have an alien registration law that required all legally resident aliens to register their location annually. Things change. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:55:09 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <47A894ED.1050104@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Since we're OT. > > In a Nov 4th election, if I recall correctly, about 60% of eligible > voters vote. > > On today "Super tuesday", roughly what percentage of the total eligible > voters end up voting in either party's race ? > > And roughly what percentage of eligible voters would have officially > registered their political affiliation with their government to give > them the right to vite in the primaries ? > > In other words, during the primaries, are the choices made > representative of only a small minority of people, or do they represent > a sizeable and representative chunk of the electorate ? The choices are made by the small minority who care enough to get off their butts and go to the polls! A lot of people don't even bother to vote in the general election! I can understand this! Anyone seeking public office is probably unfit to serve and it doesn't seem to matter which crook gets elected! I vote anyway, not that it seems to make any difference. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:30:36 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in news:fo9etc$baa$4@online.de: > In article , Maverick > writes: > >> McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Does that disqualify >> him? Both his parents were american. > > The United States' territory is not just the 50 states; it also > includes Puerto Rico, Guam etc (the people who live there are > citizens of the US, can vote etc). If the Canal Zone then had the > same status as Puerto Rico now, then presumably he is eligible. I'm > sure he's checked this. > Puerto Ricans _cannot_ vote in presidential elections and they have no representatives in the U.S. Congress. They _can_ serve in the U.S. military. Guam is in the situation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:03:44 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <47a8a648$0$16232$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bob Koehler wrote: > The US used to have an alien registration law that required all > legally resident aliens to register their location annually. But that was just back in the days when aliens were restricted to area 51 and that secret facility under the brooklyn bridge tower. :-) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 12:47:27 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article , Tad Winters writes: > > Puerto Ricans _cannot_ vote in presidential elections and they have no > representatives in the U.S. Congress. They _can_ serve in the U.S. > military. > Guam is in the situation. Puerto ricans _CAN_ vote in presidential elections, but have no representative. 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------=_NextPart_000_028E_01C867EB.A50F06A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: Big John Subject: Setting a console environment variable Message-ID: <44a14d68-d8ba-4a69-bcc7-bf226f518e55@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Hi. We have a customer with a wrongly set environment variable (OpenVMS V7.3-2).. BEP1->write sys$output f$getenv("auto_action") HALT We need to set it to restart. Can this be done? Is there any way, short of interrupting service shutting it down to the console, to change this? Ideally a supported official way, (I can't find f$setenv), or if not, any back-door unsupported hack way of setting this. Thanks for the help . John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:27:35 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Setting a console environment variable Message-ID: <08e4b2d6-eed1-42ff-add5-8d30d03854e1@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com> SYS$SETENV? http://64.223.189.234/node/547 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:06:47 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: VT100 standards and EDT Message-ID: FredK skrev: > The only undocumented sequences that I know about have to do with > manufacturing diagnostics and tests. The undocumented VT100-sequences I know of are the ones related to the LED control, of which some other numbers did "funny" things on the VT100, which obviously were bugs. I don't even remember if they still were around on the VT102. Given enough interest (from me) and time, I could probably get a VT100 and a VT102 up and running to test this, but I wouldn't be surprised if atleast *someone* have information on this somewhere on the net. These were not diagnostic functions, by the way. And I'm rather certain EDT didn't (don't) use any of these sequences. Johnny > > > "Antonio Carlini" wrote in message > news:Xns9A37C464BE004arcarliniONieeorg@62.253.170.163... >> billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in >> news:60bhnjF1ol6tlU4@mid.individual.net: >> >> >>> And, unless you have tried every possible combination, how do you know >>> there are no undocumented escape sequences? What you need to do is >>> run a datascope on the output of something like EDT (as we did) and >>> then compare the things it sends to that documentation. 20 years ago >>> EDT used escape sequences that were not in the documentation. DEC knew >>> it and admitted it to our corporate people but would not tell us what >>> they were or what they did. We certainly didn't invest all that time >>> and money learning them for nothing. We were contractually bound to >>> deliver a VT100 emulator that worked with VMS programs including MAIL >>> and EDT. And it was a lot more work than just reading the >>> documentation. >> I wrote a VT103[1] terminal emulator back in 1988 or so. The only >> documentation I had was a VT100 User Guide and a Terminal handbook. >> It didn't do double height but otherwise it was pretty complete. >> It ran EDT and ALL-IN-1's editor without a hitch. >> >> That doesn't mean there aren't undocumented sequences (I'm sure >> there are _some_ for the VT100), and there may even be seuqences >> which do "things" but were never intended to do anything useful >> (they just happened to slip through the parser). But if EDT uses >> them then it must use them pretty rarely. >> >> Antonio >> arcarlini@iee.org >> >> [1] Yes I know it's just a VT100 with a Q-BUS in there, but the >> customer paying for this obviously went for the biggest number >> they could find. I guess I should be grateful they didn't know >> about the VT105 or VT125 or VT131/132. No, I didn't offer to >> provice Q-BUS support. > > -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 2008 12:48:35 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VT100 standards and EDT Message-ID: In article , Johnny Billquist writes: > FredK skrev: >> The only undocumented sequences that I know about have to do with >> manufacturing diagnostics and tests. > > The undocumented VT100-sequences I know of are the ones related to the LED > control, of which some other numbers did "funny" things on the VT100, which > obviously were bugs. I got the VT100 LED sequences from the documents. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.072 ************************