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Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:59:56 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <0tluj.3915$R_4.2823@newsb.telia.net> Hi. I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 earlier today. DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". The logical "...NO_SYNC" was defined for the queue. The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The queue was "Busy". The printer said (on the display) "processing" or "formatting" or something similar. After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode with no printout. The entry on the queue just hanged in "Starting". Del/entry solved that... Now, it seems as some Xerox printers prefer LPD over IP_RawTCP !? (At least the Phaser series, according to the DCSP mgm manual.) So the next test will be using LPD. So I have one question about DCPS/LPD that I do not understand. I have been using LPD a lot before using the LPD part of TCPIP Services. What I do not understand is if one still have to update the printcap file even when using DCPS ? Or does DCPS run the full LPD comm itself ? That is, if I enter "IP_LPD/xx.xx.xx.xx" as the second parameter (P2) in the DCSP startup file, do I have to setup the LPD queue any other place also ? Regards, Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:10:18 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <47B9E62A.6020309@comcast.net> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Hi. > I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 > earlier today. DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". > The logical "...NO_SYNC" was defined for the queue. > > The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The > queue was "Busy". The printer said (on the display) > "processing" or "formatting" or something similar. > After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode > with no printout. The entry on the queue just hanged > in "Starting". Del/entry solved that... > did you run a "port scan" on the printer to see which port(s) it uses? Port 9100 is standard for HP printers but other manufacturers may use other standards. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:36:44 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Hi. >> I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 >> earlier today. DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". >> The logical "...NO_SYNC" was defined for the queue. >> >> The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The >> queue was "Busy". The printer said (on the display) >> "processing" or "formatting" or something similar. >> After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode >> with no printout. The entry on the queue just hanged >> in "Starting". Del/entry solved that... >> > > did you run a "port scan" on the printer to see which port(s) it uses? > Port 9100 is standard for HP printers but other manufacturers may > use other standards. > No, how do I run a "port scan" ? Is there any tool in VMS ? According to the DCPS mgm manual, most printers (incl many Xerox printers) uses 9100 apart from a few older modells, so I guessed that 9100 was OK for this one also. And *something* happend at the printer. I've not been able to dig up any docs for the Xerox on the network setup apart from the usual Windows oriented stuff... :-) Anyway, my goal now is to test with LPD instead of Raw. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:51:55 -0500 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <7dd80f60802181251t153bee68i19ecc78ce54a98b2@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 18, 2008 3:36 PM, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > > I've not been able to dig up any docs for the Xerox on > the network setup apart from the usual Windows oriented > stuff... :-) Most printers these days have a web base administrators interface built in. Just type the printers' IP address into your web browsers address line. Using this interface, one can usually determine which ports the printer uses. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:27:49 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: Ken Robinson wrote: > On Feb 18, 2008 3:36 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: >> I've not been able to dig up any docs for the Xerox on >> the network setup apart from the usual Windows oriented >> stuff... :-) > > Most printers these days have a web base administrators interface > built in. Just type the printers' IP address into your web browsers > address line. Using this interface, one can usually determine which > ports the printer uses. > > Ken Without going on-site (quite a trip) the tools available are those that I can use/reach via telnet to the VMS box. I asked the guy over there to print out a network setup/status page, but I'm not sure he managed... Anyway, my Q was about the LPD setup. Is it enought to set it up according to the DCPS mgm manual ? Or must the queue be available in the printcap file just as "normal" TCP/IP Services LPD queues ? Best Regards, Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:49:50 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <47B9FD7E.8070709@comcast.net> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 >>> earlier today. DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". >>> The logical "...NO_SYNC" was defined for the queue. >>> >>> The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The >>> queue was "Busy". The printer said (on the display) >>> "processing" or "formatting" or something similar. >>> After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode >>> with no printout. The entry on the queue just hanged >>> in "Starting". Del/entry solved that... >>> >> >> did you run a "port scan" on the printer to see which port(s) it uses? >> Port 9100 is standard for HP printers but other manufacturers may >> use other standards. >> > > No, how do I run a "port scan" ? Is there any tool in VMS ? > > According to the DCPS mgm manual, most printers (incl many > Xerox printers) uses 9100 apart from a few older modells, so > I guessed that 9100 was OK for this one also. And *something* > happend at the printer. > > I've not been able to dig up any docs for the Xerox on > the network setup apart from the usual Windows oriented > stuff... :-) > > Anyway, my goal now is to test with LPD instead of Raw. > > Jan-Erik. A somewhat mangled copy of the program I got from Yale may be found at http://www.all.net/books/audit/ASAP/tcpport.txt It appears to have lost its line breaks but, since it's C, that's easily fixed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:16:41 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <47BA03C9.5020608@comcast.net> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 >>> earlier today. DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". >>> The logical "...NO_SYNC" was defined for the queue. >>> >>> The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The >>> queue was "Busy". The printer said (on the display) >>> "processing" or "formatting" or something similar. >>> After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode >>> with no printout. The entry on the queue just hanged >>> in "Starting". Del/entry solved that... >>> >> >> did you run a "port scan" on the printer to see which port(s) it uses? >> Port 9100 is standard for HP printers but other manufacturers may >> use other standards. >> > > No, how do I run a "port scan" ? Is there any tool in VMS ? > > According to the DCPS mgm manual, most printers (incl many > Xerox printers) uses 9100 apart from a few older modells, so > I guessed that 9100 was OK for this one also. And *something* > happend at the printer. > > I've not been able to dig up any docs for the Xerox on > the network setup apart from the usual Windows oriented > stuff... :-) > > Anyway, my goal now is to test with LPD instead of Raw. > > Jan-Erik. for a fast test, telnet /9100 your_printer and then type "print me! If the printer prints a page with "print me!", the rest is left as an exercise for the student. I got the portscan program from Yale many long years ago. I used it, once, for the same purpose; finding the ports a printer would respond on. The web site it came from no longer exists. Do you have a C compiler? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:33:19 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <47BA07AF.7010708@comcast.net> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 >>>> earlier today. DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". >>>> The logical "...NO_SYNC" was defined for the queue. >>>> >>>> The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The >>>> queue was "Busy". The printer said (on the display) >>>> "processing" or "formatting" or something similar. >>>> After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode >>>> with no printout. The entry on the queue just hanged >>>> in "Starting". Del/entry solved that... >>>> >>> >>> did you run a "port scan" on the printer to see which port(s) it uses? >>> Port 9100 is standard for HP printers but other manufacturers may >>> use other standards. >>> >> >> No, how do I run a "port scan" ? Is there any tool in VMS ? >> >> According to the DCPS mgm manual, most printers (incl many >> Xerox printers) uses 9100 apart from a few older modells, so >> I guessed that 9100 was OK for this one also. And *something* >> happend at the printer. >> >> I've not been able to dig up any docs for the Xerox on >> the network setup apart from the usual Windows oriented >> stuff... :-) >> >> Anyway, my goal now is to test with LPD instead of Raw. >> >> Jan-Erik. > > > for a fast test, telnet /9100 your_printer and then type > "print me! > > > If the printer prints a page with "print me!", the rest is left as > an exercise for the student. > > I got the portscan program from Yale many long years ago. I used it, > once, for the same purpose; finding the ports a printer would respond > on. The web site it came from no longer exists. > > Do you have a C compiler? > It's worth noting that most network managers take a VERY dim view of people running port scans. Many ISPs forbid it. OTOH, it is a very useful technique for a few legitimate purposes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:27:20 -0800 (PST) From: Cluster-Karl Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: > Anyway, my Q was about the LPD setup. Is it enought to set it > up according to the DCPS mgm manual ? Or must the queue > be available in the printcap file just as "normal" TCP/IP > Services LPD queues ? Eric, I think an entry in the printcap file is not neccessary. regards Kalle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:00:29 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: Errors during shadow set merge Message-ID: I noticed I was getting errors when adding a member to a shadow set. I have been getting errors during shadow set merges since I bought this refurb DS10. Got 109 error today when I remerged after doing an image. 16 errors on DKA0 and 93 on DKA100. What do you think is causing this? Are these soft errors? Here is the log for one: **** V3.4 ********************* ENTRY 1667 ******************************** Logging OS 1. OpenVMS System Architecture 2. Alpha OS version V7.3-2 Event sequence number 11474. Timestamp of occurrence 18-FEB-2008 09:52:48 Time since reboot 77 Day(s) 1:23:46 Host name EESD System Model AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz Entry Type 1. Device Error ---- Device Profile ---- Unit $1$DKA0 Product Name ATLAS10K2-TY184L Vendor QUANTUM -- Driver Supplied Info - Device Firmware Revision DA40 VMS SCSI Error Type 5. Extended Sense Data from Device SCSI ID x00 SCSI LUN x00 SCSI SUBLUN x00 Port Status x00000001 NORMAL - normal successful completion SCSI Command Opcode x28 Read (10 byte command) Command Data x00 x02 x06 x44 x8A x00 x00 x01 x00 SCSI Status x02 Check Condition Remaining Byte Length 18. --- Device Sense Data --- Error Code xF0 Current Error Information Bytes are Valid Segment # x00 Information Byte 3 x02 Byte 2 x06 Byte 1 x44 Byte 0 x8A LBA: x0206448A Sense Key x03 Medium Error Additional Sense Length x0A CMD Specific Info Byte 3 x21 Byte 2 x23 Byte 1 x3E Byte 0 xD4 ASC & ASCQ x1100 ASC = x0011 ASCQ = x0000 Unrecovered Read Error FRU Code x00 Sense Key Specific Byte 0 x80 Valid Sense Key Data Byte 1 x00 Byte 2 xA0 ----- Software Info ----- UCB$x_ERTCNT 16. Retries Remaining UCB$x_ERTMAX 16. Retries Allowable IRP$Q_IOSB x0000000000000000 UCB$x_STS x08021810 Online Software Valid Unload At Dismount Volume is Valid on the local node Unit supports the Extended Function bit IRP$L_PID x82640450 Requestor "PID" IRP$x_BOFF 4416. Byte Page Offset IRP$x_BCNT 512. Transfer Size In Byte(s) UCB$x_ERRCNT 32. Errors This Unit UCB$L_OPCNT 22716780. QIO's This Unit ORB$L_OWNER x00010004 Owners UIC UCB$L_DEVCHAR1 x1C4D4008 Directory Structured File Oriented Sharable Available Mounted Error Logging Capable of Input Capable of Output Random Access ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:00:47 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Errors during shadow set merge Message-ID: <47BA000F.1080704@comcast.net> tadamsmar wrote: > I noticed I was getting errors when adding a member to a shadow > set. > > I have been getting errors during shadow set merges since I bought > this refurb DS10. > > Got 109 error today when I remerged after doing an image. 16 errors > on DKA0 and 93 on DKA100. > > What do you think is causing this? > > Are these soft errors? > > Here is the log for one: > > **** V3.4 ********************* ENTRY 1667 > ******************************** > > > Logging OS 1. OpenVMS > System Architecture 2. Alpha > OS version V7.3-2 > Event sequence number 11474. > Timestamp of occurrence 18-FEB-2008 09:52:48 > Time since reboot 77 Day(s) 1:23:46 > Host name EESD > > System Model AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz > > Entry Type 1. Device Error > > > ---- Device Profile ---- > Unit $1$DKA0 > Product Name ATLAS10K2-TY184L > Vendor QUANTUM > > -- Driver Supplied Info - > Device Firmware Revision DA40 > VMS SCSI Error Type 5. Extended Sense Data from Device > SCSI ID x00 > SCSI LUN x00 > SCSI SUBLUN x00 > Port Status x00000001 NORMAL - normal successful > completion > SCSI Command Opcode x28 Read (10 byte command) > Command Data > x00 > x02 > x06 > x44 > x8A > x00 > x00 > x01 > x00 > > SCSI Status x02 Check Condition > Remaining Byte Length 18. > > --- Device Sense Data --- > > Error Code xF0 Current Error > Information Bytes are Valid > Segment # x00 > Information Byte 3 x02 > Byte 2 x06 > Byte 1 x44 > Byte 0 x8A LBA: x0206448A > Sense Key x03 Medium Error > Additional Sense Length x0A > CMD Specific Info Byte 3 x21 > Byte 2 x23 > Byte 1 x3E > Byte 0 xD4 > ASC & ASCQ x1100 ASC = x0011 > ASCQ = x0000 > Unrecovered Read Error > FRU Code x00 > Sense Key Specific Byte 0 x80 Valid Sense Key Data > Byte 1 x00 > Byte 2 xA0 > > ----- Software Info ----- > UCB$x_ERTCNT 16. Retries Remaining > UCB$x_ERTMAX 16. Retries Allowable > IRP$Q_IOSB x0000000000000000 > UCB$x_STS x08021810 Online > Software Valid > Unload At Dismount > Volume is Valid on the local > node > Unit supports the Extended > Function bit > IRP$L_PID x82640450 Requestor "PID" > IRP$x_BOFF 4416. Byte Page Offset > IRP$x_BCNT 512. Transfer Size In Byte(s) > UCB$x_ERRCNT 32. Errors This Unit > UCB$L_OPCNT 22716780. QIO's This Unit > ORB$L_OWNER x00010004 Owners UIC > UCB$L_DEVCHAR1 x1C4D4008 Directory Structured > File Oriented > Sharable > Available > Mounted > Error Logging > Capable of Input > Capable of Output > Random Access > Is that system under service contract? If so, ask to have the drive replaced! I hope you have a recent backup that's readable. If you don't, try to make one! Right now!!!! It could be just a single bad block. It could also be all the warning you are going to get that the disk is failing! Once you hear that "loud scraping sound" it's all over!! If you don't have a service contract, order a replacement disk and get a rush on the delivery! Meanwhile, keep an eye on the disk. If you get more error messages with different LBAs it means the situation is deteriorating and you may have an emergency within a few minutes or hours. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: Errors during shadow set merge Message-ID: On Feb 18, 5:00=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > tadamsmarwrote: > > I noticed I was getting errors when adding a member to a shadow > > set. > > > I have been getting errors during shadow set merges since I bought > > this refurb DS10. > > > Got 109 error today when I remerged after doing an image. =A016 errors > > on DKA0 and 93 on DKA100. > > > What do you think is causing this? > > > Are these soft errors? > > > Here is the log for one: > > > **** V3.4 =A0********************* ENTRY 1667 > > ******************************** > > > Logging OS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01. OpenVMS > > System Architecture =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2. Alpha > > OS version =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 V7.3-2 > > Event sequence number =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 11474. > > Timestamp of occurrence =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A018-FEB-2008 09:52:48 > > Time since reboot =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A077 Day(s) 1:23:= 46 > > Host name =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0EESD > > > System Model =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 AlphaServer= DS10 617 MHz > > > Entry Type =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01. Device Erro= r > > > ---- Device Profile ---- > > Unit =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 $1$= DKA0 > > Product Name =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ATLAS10K2-T= Y184L > > Vendor =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUANT= UM > > > -- Driver Supplied Info - > > Device Firmware Revision =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DA40 > > VMS SCSI Error Type =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 5. Extended Sense Data f= rom Device > > SCSI ID =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > SCSI LUN =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x00 > > SCSI SUBLUN =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > Port Status =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00000001 =A0NORMAL =A0- =A0norm= al successful > > completion > > SCSI Command Opcode =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x28 =A0Read (10 byte command= ) > > Command Data > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x02 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x06 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x44 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x8A > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x01 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > > SCSI Status =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x02 =A0Check Conditi= on > > Remaining Byte Length =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A018. > > > --- Device Sense Data --- > > > Error Code =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0xF0 =A0Current Err= or > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Information Bytes are Valid > > Segment # =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > Information Byte 3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x02 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x06 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x44 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x8A =A0LBA: = =A0x0206448A > > Sense Key =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x03 =A0Medium Erro= r > > Additional Sense Length =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x0A > > CMD Specific Info Byte 3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x21 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x23 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x3E > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0xD4 > > ASC & ASCQ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x1100 =A0ASC =A0=3D = =A0 x0011 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0ASCQ =3D =A0 x0000 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Unrecovered Read Error > > FRU Code =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x00 > > Sense Key Specific Byte 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x80 =A0Valid Sense Key Data > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Byte 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Byte 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 xA0 > > > ----- Software Info ----- > > UCB$x_ERTCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 16. Retries Remaini= ng > > UCB$x_ERTMAX =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 16. Retries Allowab= le > > IRP$Q_IOSB =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x0000000000000000 > > UCB$x_STS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x08021810 =A0Online > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Software Valid > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Unload At Dismount > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Volume is Valid on the local > > node > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Unit supports the Extended > > Function bit > > IRP$L_PID =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x82640450 =A0Requestor "PID" > > IRP$x_BOFF =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4416. Byte Page Offse= t > > IRP$x_BCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0512. Transfer Size= In Byte(s) > > UCB$x_ERRCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 32. Errors This Uni= t > > UCB$L_OPCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A022716780. QIO's This Unit > > ORB$L_OWNER =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00010004 =A0Owners UIC > > UCB$L_DEVCHAR1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x1C4D4008 =A0Directory Structured > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0File Oriented > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Sharable > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Available > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Mounted > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Error Logging > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Capable of Input > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Capable of Output > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Random Access > > Is that system under service contract? =A0If so, ask to have the drive > replaced! > > I hope you have a recent backup that's readable. =A0 If you don't, try to > make one! =A0Right now!!!! > > It could be just a single bad block. =A0It could also be all the warning > you are going to get that the disk is failing! =A0Once you hear that "loud= > scraping sound" it's all over!! > > If you don't have a service contract, order a replacement disk and get a > rush on the delivery! > > Meanwhile, keep an eye on the disk. =A0If you get more error messages with= > different LBAs it means the situation is deteriorating and you may have > an emergency within a few minutes or hours.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Are these hard or soft errors? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:10:38 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Errors during shadow set merge Message-ID: <47BA2C8E.6010102@comcast.net> tadamsmar wrote: > On Feb 18, 5:00 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > >>tadamsmarwrote: >> >>>I noticed I was getting errors when adding a member to a shadow >>>set. >> >>>I have been getting errors during shadow set merges since I bought >>>this refurb DS10. >> >>>Got 109 error today when I remerged after doing an image. 16 errors >>>on DKA0 and 93 on DKA100. >> >>>What do you think is causing this? >> >>>Are these soft errors? >> >>>Here is the log for one: >> >>>**** V3.4 ********************* ENTRY 1667 >>>******************************** >> >>>Logging OS 1. OpenVMS >>>System Architecture 2. Alpha >>>OS version V7.3-2 >>>Event sequence number 11474. >>>Timestamp of occurrence 18-FEB-2008 09:52:48 >>>Time since reboot 77 Day(s) 1:23:46 >>>Host name EESD >> >>>System Model AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz >> >>>Entry Type 1. Device Error >> >>>---- Device Profile ---- >>>Unit $1$DKA0 >>>Product Name ATLAS10K2-TY184L >>>Vendor QUANTUM >> >>>-- Driver Supplied Info - >>>Device Firmware Revision DA40 >>>VMS SCSI Error Type 5. Extended Sense Data from Device >>>SCSI ID x00 >>>SCSI LUN x00 >>>SCSI SUBLUN x00 >>>Port Status x00000001 NORMAL - normal successful >>>completion >>>SCSI Command Opcode x28 Read (10 byte command) >>>Command Data >>> x00 >>> x02 >>> x06 >>> x44 >>> x8A >>> x00 >>> x00 >>> x01 >>> x00 >> >>>SCSI Status x02 Check Condition >>>Remaining Byte Length 18. >> >>>--- Device Sense Data --- >> >>>Error Code xF0 Current Error >>> Information Bytes are Valid >>>Segment # x00 >>>Information Byte 3 x02 >>> Byte 2 x06 >>> Byte 1 x44 >>> Byte 0 x8A LBA: x0206448A >>>Sense Key x03 Medium Error >>>Additional Sense Length x0A >>>CMD Specific Info Byte 3 x21 >>> Byte 2 x23 >>> Byte 1 x3E >>> Byte 0 xD4 >>>ASC & ASCQ x1100 ASC = x0011 >>> ASCQ = x0000 >>> Unrecovered Read Error >>>FRU Code x00 >>>Sense Key Specific Byte 0 x80 Valid Sense Key Data >>> Byte 1 x00 >>> Byte 2 xA0 >> >>>----- Software Info ----- >>>UCB$x_ERTCNT 16. Retries Remaining >>>UCB$x_ERTMAX 16. Retries Allowable >>>IRP$Q_IOSB x0000000000000000 >>>UCB$x_STS x08021810 Online >>> Software Valid >>> Unload At Dismount >>> Volume is Valid on the local >>>node >>> Unit supports the Extended >>>Function bit >>>IRP$L_PID x82640450 Requestor "PID" >>>IRP$x_BOFF 4416. Byte Page Offset >>>IRP$x_BCNT 512. Transfer Size In Byte(s) >>>UCB$x_ERRCNT 32. Errors This Unit >>>UCB$L_OPCNT 22716780. QIO's This Unit >>>ORB$L_OWNER x00010004 Owners UIC >>>UCB$L_DEVCHAR1 x1C4D4008 Directory Structured >>> File Oriented >>> Sharable >>> Available >>> Mounted >>> Error Logging >>> Capable of Input >>> Capable of Output >>> Random Access >> >>Is that system under service contract? If so, ask to have the drive >>replaced! >> >>I hope you have a recent backup that's readable. If you don't, try to >>make one! Right now!!!! >> >>It could be just a single bad block. It could also be all the warning >>you are going to get that the disk is failing! Once you hear that "loud >>scraping sound" it's all over!! >> >>If you don't have a service contract, order a replacement disk and get a >>rush on the delivery! >> >>Meanwhile, keep an eye on the disk. If you get more error messages with >>different LBAs it means the situation is deteriorating and you may have >>an emergency within a few minutes or hours.- Hide quoted text - >> >>- Show quoted text - > > > Are these hard or soft errors? It looks hard to me. I'm not an authority on hardness or softness of errors. It does say "Unrecovered Read Error" and, if it means what it says, the data in that block is GONE! Since it's a member of a shadow set, you still have the data on the other member. If the other volume in the shadow set develops a problem you could lose your data! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:17:56 GMT From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Errors during shadow set merge Message-ID: tadamsmar wrote: > On Feb 18, 5:00 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> tadamsmarwrote: >>> I noticed I was getting errors when adding a member to a shadow >>> set. >>> I have been getting errors during shadow set merges since I bought >>> this refurb DS10. >>> Got 109 error today when I remerged after doing an image. 16 errors >>> on DKA0 and 93 on DKA100. >>> What do you think is causing this? >>> Are these soft errors? >>> Here is the log for one: >>> **** V3.4 ********************* ENTRY 1667 >>> ******************************** >>> Logging OS 1. OpenVMS >>> System Architecture 2. Alpha >>> OS version V7.3-2 >>> Event sequence number 11474. >>> Timestamp of occurrence 18-FEB-2008 09:52:48 >>> Time since reboot 77 Day(s) 1:23:46 >>> Host name EESD >>> System Model AlphaServer DS10 617 MHz >>> Entry Type 1. Device Error >>> ---- Device Profile ---- >>> Unit $1$DKA0 >>> Product Name ATLAS10K2-TY184L >>> Vendor QUANTUM >>> -- Driver Supplied Info - >>> Device Firmware Revision DA40 >>> VMS SCSI Error Type 5. Extended Sense Data from Device >>> SCSI ID x00 >>> SCSI LUN x00 >>> SCSI SUBLUN x00 >>> Port Status x00000001 NORMAL - normal successful >>> completion >>> SCSI Command Opcode x28 Read (10 byte command) >>> Command Data >>> x00 >>> x02 >>> x06 >>> x44 >>> x8A >>> x00 >>> x00 >>> x01 >>> x00 >>> SCSI Status x02 Check Condition >>> Remaining Byte Length 18. >>> --- Device Sense Data --- >>> Error Code xF0 Current Error >>> Information Bytes are Valid >>> Segment # x00 >>> Information Byte 3 x02 >>> Byte 2 x06 >>> Byte 1 x44 >>> Byte 0 x8A LBA: x0206448A >>> Sense Key x03 Medium Error >>> Additional Sense Length x0A >>> CMD Specific Info Byte 3 x21 >>> Byte 2 x23 >>> Byte 1 x3E >>> Byte 0 xD4 >>> ASC & ASCQ x1100 ASC = x0011 >>> ASCQ = x0000 >>> Unrecovered Read Error >>> FRU Code x00 >>> Sense Key Specific Byte 0 x80 Valid Sense Key Data >>> Byte 1 x00 >>> Byte 2 xA0 >>> ----- Software Info ----- >>> UCB$x_ERTCNT 16. Retries Remaining >>> UCB$x_ERTMAX 16. Retries Allowable >>> IRP$Q_IOSB x0000000000000000 >>> UCB$x_STS x08021810 Online >>> Software Valid >>> Unload At Dismount >>> Volume is Valid on the local >>> node >>> Unit supports the Extended >>> Function bit >>> IRP$L_PID x82640450 Requestor "PID" >>> IRP$x_BOFF 4416. Byte Page Offset >>> IRP$x_BCNT 512. Transfer Size In Byte(s) >>> UCB$x_ERRCNT 32. Errors This Unit >>> UCB$L_OPCNT 22716780. QIO's This Unit >>> ORB$L_OWNER x00010004 Owners UIC >>> UCB$L_DEVCHAR1 x1C4D4008 Directory Structured >>> File Oriented >>> Sharable >>> Available >>> Mounted >>> Error Logging >>> Capable of Input >>> Capable of Output >>> Random Access >> Is that system under service contract? If so, ask to have the drive >> replaced! >> >> I hope you have a recent backup that's readable. If you don't, try to >> make one! Right now!!!! >> >> It could be just a single bad block. It could also be all the warning >> you are going to get that the disk is failing! Once you hear that "loud >> scraping sound" it's all over!! >> >> If you don't have a service contract, order a replacement disk and get a >> rush on the delivery! >> >> Meanwhile, keep an eye on the disk. If you get more error messages with >> different LBAs it means the situation is deteriorating and you may have >> an emergency within a few minutes or hours.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Are these hard or soft errors? These are generally HARD errors - do what he said and order a disk ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:24:40 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <37fef978-631f-431f-89b5-4dbd1196eb51@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 18, 9:14 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > Bob Willard writes: > > > > > AEF wrote: > >> On Feb 17, 4:18 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > >>>In article , > >>> AEF writes: > > >>>>On Feb 17, 10:33 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > >>>>>In article <47b7cedb$0$14031$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, > >>>>> JF Mezei writes: > > >>>>>>Tad Winters wrote: > > >>>>>>>Your best bet is to waste their time. Try these out: > > >>>>>>How would they react if you were to start asking them questions as if > >>>>>>you were the one doing the survey ? > > >>>>>>Don't even give them the opportunity to start asking their questions :-) > > >>>>To Tad and JF quoted above: > > >>>>Not all calls are done by a person! I used to (and still occasionally > > >>>That has been illegal in the US for well over a decade. Thus the > >>>reason for the (in)famous Simpsons episode where Homer buys an > >>>automatic phone-caller cheap. > > >> Really? When I lived in Brooklyn I got automated phone calls from NYC > >> mayors. Are you sure? > > > Reverse 911 is alive and well, but AFAIK limited to government use. > > They don't call every number in the phone book. You gave them your > number, and agreed to this "service" when you registered your kid > for school. I have no children, and so never agreed to this "service". > > > In my town, Reverse 911 is used to notify parents on days when school > > is closed or delayed. > > Yeah, they have even started that crap here at the University, but at least > you have to opt in and give them the number. I won't do either. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <3d620770-0f42-44aa-b3a9-d5830697c21a@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 18, 11:52 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > Doug Phillips writes: > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:18 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article <$apJn5T1Z...@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > >> koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > >> > In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > >> >> The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone > >> >> number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number > >> >> since something answered at the other end). > > >> > I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After > >> > a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone > >> > company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) > >> > for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go > >> > to court and get a warrant for the data. > > >> I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to > >> see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for > >> a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, > >> he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" > > > Unless you can find that judge who took the "I spilled hot coffee on > > myself while I was driving my car and it burned me" case. > > Stupid doesn't mean fast. That case probably took years. Just like the > "My CAT scan made me loose my psychic ability" case. > I don't think litigating a case to judgment was mentioned; just finding a judge who wouldn't laugh at your problem. I guess I should have put a ;-) there. But if you care to look into it, you'll find well-established ways to register a complaint about DNCL violations or any other harassment phone calls that are much simpler. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 20:19:37 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61u7ipF210gnfU1@mid.individual.net> In article <3d620770-0f42-44aa-b3a9-d5830697c21a@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: > On Feb 18, 11:52 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article , >> Doug Phillips writes: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 18, 7:18 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> In article <$apJn5T1Z...@eisner.encompasserve.org>, >> >> koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> >> >> > In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >> >> >> >> The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone >> >> >> number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number >> >> >> since something answered at the other end). >> >> >> > I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After >> >> > a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone >> >> > company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) >> >> > for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go >> >> > to court and get a warrant for the data. >> >> >> I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to >> >> see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for >> >> a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, >> >> he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" >> >> > Unless you can find that judge who took the "I spilled hot coffee on >> > myself while I was driving my car and it burned me" case. >> >> Stupid doesn't mean fast. That case probably took years. Just like the >> "My CAT scan made me loose my psychic ability" case. >> > > I don't think litigating a case to judgment was mentioned; just > finding a judge who wouldn't laugh at your problem. I guess I should > have put a ;-) there. > > But if you care to look into it, you'll find well-established ways to > register a complaint about DNCL violations or any other harassment > phone calls that are much simpler. It's much easier to just stop answering the phone. Once I got past the denial stage I have accepted that the telephone is pretty much worthless any more and it doesn't bother me a bit. I also no longer have a phone in the bedroom. If it rings at night either the dog is going to get it or the answering machine. I will not get up for the phone and after some adjustment, neither does my wife any more. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2008 20:21:47 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61u7mrF210gnfU2@mid.individual.net> In article <37fef978-631f-431f-89b5-4dbd1196eb51@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > On Feb 18, 9:14 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article , >> Bob Willard writes: >> >> >> >> > AEF wrote: >> >> On Feb 17, 4:18 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> >>>In article , >> >>> AEF writes: >> >> >>>>On Feb 17, 10:33 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> >>>>>In article <47b7cedb$0$14031$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, >> >>>>> JF Mezei writes: >> >> >>>>>>Tad Winters wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>Your best bet is to waste their time. Try these out: >> >> >>>>>>How would they react if you were to start asking them questions as if >> >>>>>>you were the one doing the survey ? >> >> >>>>>>Don't even give them the opportunity to start asking their questions :-) >> >> >>>>To Tad and JF quoted above: >> >> >>>>Not all calls are done by a person! I used to (and still occasionally >> >> >>>That has been illegal in the US for well over a decade. Thus the >> >>>reason for the (in)famous Simpsons episode where Homer buys an >> >>>automatic phone-caller cheap. >> >> >> Really? When I lived in Brooklyn I got automated phone calls from NYC >> >> mayors. Are you sure? >> >> > Reverse 911 is alive and well, but AFAIK limited to government use. >> >> They don't call every number in the phone book. You gave them your >> number, and agreed to this "service" when you registered your kid >> for school. > > I have no children, and so never agreed to this "service". Surely you are not telling us the local school calls you about school closings and delays if you have no children in the school!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: On Feb 18, 2:19 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <3d620770-0f42-44aa-b3a9-d5830697c...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > Doug Phillips writes: > > > > > On Feb 18, 11:52 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article , > >> Doug Phillips writes: > > >> > On Feb 18, 7:18 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> >> In article <$apJn5T1Z...@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > >> >> koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > >> >> > In article <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > >> >> >> The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone > >> >> >> number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number > >> >> >> since something answered at the other end). > > >> >> > I don't know if it's a national thing yet, or just state-wide. After > >> >> > a bad call, you enter *69 before calling anything else and the phone > >> >> > company stores the caller (not relying on the caller-id you can get) > >> >> > for 24 hours. You have 24 hours to convince the authorities to go > >> >> > to court and get a warrant for the data. > > >> >> I can't think of any place in the world where you could even get in to > >> >> see a judge in 24 hours and I would doubt if you wanted a warrant for > >> >> a tele-marketer, after he stopped laughing and got back up off the floor, > >> >> he would ask you to: "please take your silly ass problem down the hall!" > > >> > Unless you can find that judge who took the "I spilled hot coffee on > >> > myself while I was driving my car and it burned me" case. > > >> Stupid doesn't mean fast. That case probably took years. Just like the > >> "My CAT scan made me loose my psychic ability" case. > > > I don't think litigating a case to judgment was mentioned; just > > finding a judge who wouldn't laugh at your problem. I guess I should > > have put a ;-) there. > > > But if you care to look into it, you'll find well-established ways to > > register a complaint about DNCL violations or any other harassment > > phone calls that are much simpler. > > It's much easier to just stop answering the phone. Once I got past > the denial stage I have accepted that the telephone is pretty much > worthless any more and it doesn't bother me a bit. I also no longer > have a phone in the bedroom. If it rings at night either the dog is > going to get it or the answering machine. I will not get up for the > phone and after some adjustment, neither does my wife any more. > Maybe someday I'll be that lucky. Unfortunately, there are clients who might actually need to talk to me at any hour and they have my home land-line# as well a my mobile#. The problem I have with relying strictly on the cell is that it needs to be recharged, and that means it's often someplace other than handy. The other problem with my not answering a call is that sometimes a customer's caller ID shows as unavailable or out-of-area or some such, depending on the line and/or service s/he's using. And, if it's from a cell and I don't have that number in my phone's directory, it just says "cell phone call." I no longer have a dog, but when I did I could never get him to understand that he had to pick up the phone before answering it. We all have our own little problems, I guess;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:25:56 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <8%ruj.1253$JF.108@trnddc01> Tad Winters wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote in > news:47B86B94.982E7FA8@spam.comcast.net: > > >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> > [..snip..] > >>>Hmmm..... Let's see, they fake their phone number. won't tell you >>>who they are and won't let you speak to a supervisor. How do you >>>propose to prosecute them? >> >>Bill and I have exchanged some private e-mail on this. >> >>If you can make the case to law enforcement, there may be a way to >>build a case against persistent DNC list offenders. >> >>I just posted to to my freeware area some DCL code I used back in >>early 1994 to effect the procesution of some juveniles who were >>committing telephone harassment. Creative use of VMS to assist law >>enforcement, at the very least. The effort was successful. >> >>Look for phonecop.zip at http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ >> >>David J Dachtera >>DJE Systems >> > > > That reminds me of a script I wrote back in the late 80s for a PC > communications program I used. Mine merely watched for the phone to stop > ringing and then echoed the time. This just let me know the time someone > had called, whether it was answered or not, since we had no answering > machine. > These days it would be interesting to use the caller ID, when available, > to keep a permanent record of calls from various numbers, with date and > time. After a few months, there may be some interesting calling > patterns, and some may develop after a few years. This doesn't work. The illegal callers (and many legal but undesired ones, like political groups, charities, surveys, etc.) block their caller ID (name and number), or send the name as "Unknown" and no number, which is indistinguishable. So I started ignoring these calls, or answering and hanging up immediately (lift and drop handset), until my brother sent me a nasty email. He lives in Australia and his calls came through with the exact same caller ID. If you have a T1 line and an automatic caller, you get to stuff your own caller ID (both name and number) into the call setup, which makes caller ID pretty much useless if they want to hide. For POTS calls, the caller ID comes from the originating carrier, or from whomever they've contracted to provide it, but for trunked calls, it comes from the originator. Still, the DNC list has helped enormously. I probably still average 4 or 5 a week "legal" calls, which I would happily block if I could, but almost all the illegal ones, which used to be several per day, have stopped. Most of the illegal callers hangup (without so much as a "sorry, we won't do it again") when I tell them I'm on the DNC list, and never call back. The one exception, from whom I've received at least a dozen calls, plus an unknown number when I wasn't home, are from something claiming to be "Credit Card Services". There is no more ID than this, no caller name or calling number, just a recording with a spiel about buying some "credit protection plan" for my credit cards. It is obvious from the spiel that they aren't connected with the companies issuing any of my credit cards; this is clearly a blind call. The recording says to press "1" (or some other key on the phone) if I want to "talk to a representative." Hanging up doesn't work. Pressing "1" doesn't work. One time, it just said "your call is important to us. Please wait..." over and over again until I got bored. Most of the time someone answers quite quickly. Telling them I'm on the do not call list doesn't work. Usually they just hang up. One time, the guy argued with me until I started screaming at him, threating him with jail and fines if they continued to call. I've tried playing along with them to get their real identity, and to get them to mail me something, but that hasn't worked. I've also tried to put them on hold while I called the phone company, the FTC, or the cops on my cell phone, but they hung up on me while I browsing the web trying to determine the best strategy. I've also reported them to the FTC (on their web site) at least twice. None of this has worked. I think what we need is a law that says if you buy anything from someone who violates the DNC list, you don't have to pay for it. That would put them out of business pretty fast. But I think it is just as likely this is a pure credit card fraud scheme... they just want me to tell them my card number(s) so they can run up some huge bills. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:29:42 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > >>In article <7f0806e6-318e-44ca-8583-a30e671c1477@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: >> >>>This is true. Though I would assume this particular call was a little >>>more directed since they said it was a result of requesting the >>>OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. I forget if the phone number was >>>optional when requesting. Probably not. They probably knew they'd do >>>a follow up call eventually. >> >> If you've done business with HP, they have a six month out from the >> do not call list. > > > Only if I agree to it. Just another good reason to not do business > with them. > > bill > No, at best, only if you don't disagree with it. It's definitely an opt-out situation. That said, many businesses will provide you an "opt-in" for telemarketing, but legally, they don't have to. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:12:09 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <47B9D889.5040101@comcast.net> Arne Vajhĝj wrote: > Pierre wrote: > >> I would like to do some regex in a DCL procedure. the only tool I >> found to do so is Perl. did I missed another lighter tool ? > > > DCL does not do regex. > > Perl is an obvious choice. > > But other possibilities exist. > > One of them is Python. > > Arne grep and gawk are also available. The Unix versions generally need a little cleanup to make DEC C stop complaining but they compile and work. If you can't find source, I believe I have it and will put it on my web page if I can find it and anybody wants it. These tools can be extremely useful occasionally. Once upon a time my boss wanted to know which licenses did NOT have "MOD_UNITS". Since we had twenty-five systems in the data center and up to a dozen licenses per system this was quite a task. I spent part of the weekend developing and debugging my awk script, came in Monday morning, ran my script on each system and handed the results to my boss half an hour or so later. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:54:22 -0800 (PST) From: Pierre Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: can perl/awk/python read/write symbols/logicals ? Pierre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <06e4dc3c-7f73-42e9-9652-8588962e4576@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 18, 3:54=A0pm, Pierre wrote: > can perl/awk/python read/write symbols/logicals ? > > Pierre Yes. Perl in trivially easy through the $ENV{logical/symbol} associative array, as well as through a VMS specific extention DCLsym. The ENVIRON implemenation for OpenVMS AWK, at least up to 3.1.1 is incomplete: $ awk /comm=3D"BEGIN{ for( item in ENVIRON) print item, ENVIRON[item]}" nl: AWKPATH .,/AWK_LIBRARY USER HEIN TERM vt102-132 PATH /user1/hein HOME /user1/hein $ awk --version GNU Awk 3.1.1 I have not experience with Python (shame on me), but believe it to have good interfaces to RTL functions and SYStem services. Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:30:19 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: Pierre wrote: > can perl/awk/python read/write symbols/logicals ? > > Pierre Python, yes. See: http://vmspython.dyndns.org/VMSRTLExample Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:38:52 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <47ba2516$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Pierre wrote: >> can perl/awk/python read/write symbols/logicals ? > > Python, yes. > > See: http://vmspython.dyndns.org/VMSRTLExample I do not have Python running on my VMS systems, but I would have expected os.getenv to be able to do it. Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.099 ************************