INFO-VAX Sat, 23 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 108 Contents: Documentation Colors (was: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5) Re: laboratory subroutines Mentorship/ Guidance available for switching into highly paid Oracle Apps Career Strange $STATUS and messages Re: Strange $STATUS and messages Re: Unable to communicate with replacement ESL drive Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Feb 2008 17:27:14 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Documentation Colors (was: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5) Message-ID: <62b3biF22ful7U4@mid.individual.net> Just out of curiosity, I have Blue Binders for RT-11 and RSTS and Orange binders for later versions of RSTS. Did the colors for all the OSes tend to change at the same time? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:18:47 -0000 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: laboratory subroutines Message-ID: <13s0osfadu15dca@corp.supernews.com> wrote in message news:143fc150-ef28-4663-aae8-468bcbbc02c8@p43g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > I need some info on a subroutine from some VAX software > the different names were VAXLAB, LABSTAR, Dec laboratory > subroutines DEC Real time integrator > > In some software I called a signal processing filter -- LSP > $FILTER_NONREC > > The documentation as to what the filter code was has disappeared > from our lab over the years. Does anyone have the documentation DECrti was a fine product, but like many perfectly decent DEC products, it was almost invisible in the market. VAXlab predates it but had similar challenges. Both come from an era where DEC documentation mostly came either on paper or CD. A set of consolidated documentation CDs from the relevant era may contain the information you need, but there were exceptions which weren't on CD. Right now I can't remember the exact vintage we're looking for, perhaps someone else can. I can't even find the SPD online otherwise the relevant era would be easily identifiable. It must be post 1988, based on where I was working at the time; DECrti was probably early 1990s, but I can't currently be more specific than that. (A quick search of newsgroups confirms this but doesn't help be more specific). As per Hein's suggestion not long ago in this ng, you can use the online docs at http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.html - for each issue of VAX docs online there, look up the Online Documentation Library Contents and search it for your choice of VAXlab or DECrti (but I'm not 100% sure the VAXlab/DECrti docs would be on those CDs). Sysworks collection in the relevant era is far from complete, anyone interested in helping sysworks fill their gaps ? I'm away from my realtime resources for a couple of days, and they don't include full VAXlab/DECrti docs anyways, but hopefully something will turn up for you soon. Today's "equivalent" product would probably be NI's Labview, which is just as "proprietary"/closed as VAXlab/DECrti ever was, and for those doing real realtime, or for those who care about data integrity or security, has the nontrivial snag of being Windows-based (or Linux if you prefer). But, like Windows, Labview has huge market visibility and support. Combine this with your need to reverse engineer some VAX assembly you posted elsewhere, and it sounds like you have "interesting times ahead". Best of luck, John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:02:36 -0800 (PST) From: base Subject: Mentorship/ Guidance available for switching into highly paid Oracle Apps Career Message-ID: Mentorship/ Guidance available for switching into highly paid ERP (Software) ORACLE APPLICATIONS Career Team of experts from USA relocated to India with an intention to create large pool of ERP professionals in India. If you are looking for a Job/ Switch to IT/ Software career, we will provide everything till you get into the job*. This is full time 3-4 months Program @ our Hyderabad campus on a Payment basis. Successful people are already working in Fortune 500 companies. If you are interested please contact us immediately. Pre-requisite: Graduates / Post-Graduates with any Oracle / Oracle Applications 11i skillsets Needs to be apply. Contact : 9248795475 e-mail :base.hyd@gmail.com *conditions apply ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:17:59 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Strange $STATUS and messages Message-ID: $ set proc/name=jwefjwefiowjeiofjweiofjwefijwj %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying process name -SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name $ x=$status $ sh sym x X = "%X1077808A" $ write sys$output f$message(x) %SET-E-NOMSG, Message number 1077808A Why does f$message show something different than the messages above? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:16:20 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Strange $STATUS and messages Message-ID: On Feb 23, 8:17=A0am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > $ set proc/name=3Djwefjwefiowjeiofjweiofjwefijwj > %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying process name > -SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name > $ x=3D$status > $ sh sym x > =A0 X =3D "%X1077808A" > $ write sys$output f$message(x) > %SET-E-NOMSG, Message number 1077808A > > Why does f$message show something different than the messages above? Because the message comes from a dedicated message file which the program had open but the process now does not. In this specific case the file is CLIUTLMSG $ set mess sys$message:CLIUTLMSG.EXE $ write sys$output f$message(x) %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying !AS So even if you knew that, then message is not very usefull as it needs additional params. The 'somewhat' high bit in the status tells the system NOT to try to output an error message 1) because it already has bee processed 2) DCL would not have all data needed to do a proper job. $ X =3D "%X1077808A" $ exit 'x $ X =3D "%X0077808A" $ exit 'x %SET-E-NOTSET, error modifying !AS hth, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:12:35 -0800 (PST) From: sean@obanion.us Subject: Re: Unable to communicate with replacement ESL drive Message-ID: <3e6cf1cf-ebdd-4c70-aada-cbbeb129aaf9@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> This is probably a SAN management issue: when the serial number of the tape drive changes, a new WWID is created by default. Depending on which SCSI to FC controller is used in the Library, the commands would be a little different to change the WWID back to the original, or to get the new WWID to add into the SAN. If the tape drive is native FC, then that drives WWID must either be changed or added. Sean On Feb 22, 6:56=A0pm, Lee Morgan wrote: > Hi > > We have an AlphaServer GS1280 connected to an ESL322e Library > containing 8 drives. > > About a week ago we had to have a drive replaced and now we are unable > to talk to the drive. > > After the physical drive swapped, i ran SYSMAN> IO LIST_WWID but the > new drive wasn't there. > > I then ran SYSMAN> IO FIND_WWID and this didn't find any new tape > devices. > > As far as I'm aware, the FIND_WWID should see the new drive and then i > run SYSMAN> IO REPLACE/DEVICE=3D/WWID=3D > > This system is in a cluster but doesn't share system disks, thus there > is only 1 SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$DEVICES.DAT file. > > Has anyone experienced similar problems? > > HP are batting the problem to and fro between their OpenVMS team and > the Storage Hardware team. > > Thanks in advance. > > Lee. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <95d43bc4-bfda-4aeb-bc10-e43d724c744c@v3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Feb 22, 11:43 pm, Ivan wrote: > I am doing some research for a school paper about old versions of > VMS, but I am having a hard time finding any documentation on VMS 5.0 > - VMS 5.5. I'm also looking for info on cluster configuration for > those versions. Does anyone have any idea of where I can get the docs? > > Thanks for you help. > > Ivan Ivan, My memory may be not completely accurate, but my offhand recollection is that full, shared file clustering was available at 5.0 (4.7 if I recall, allowed the use of shared HSC50s, but not writeable volume. Your best bet would be a copy of the cluster configuration manual from that vintage. If I recall, a recent posting in this newsgroup offered a fairly complete old documentation set from that period, perhaps the postage would be a worthwhile investment (although perhaps for your professor as source material for yourself and your future colleagues). I do have some material from that period, but it is not easily accessible at this moment. Another good possibility is the article that was printed, I recall correctly, in Communications of the ACM on VAXclusters that I cited in my chapter on OpenVMS security for the Handbook of Information Security (H Bidgoli, Ed., 2005, brochure at http://www.rlgsc.com/hinfosec/hinfosec.html ). That is a full academic-style paper describing the Original OpenVMS cluster system, its hardware, and its philosophy. I hope that the above is helpful. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:42:04 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47C030BC.5030704@comcast.net> Ivan wrote: > I am doing some research for a school paper about old versions of > VMS, but I am having a hard time finding any documentation on VMS 5.0 > - VMS 5.5. I'm also looking for info on cluster configuration for > those versions. Does anyone have any idea of where I can get the docs? > > Thanks for you help. > > Ivan VMS V5.5 was a sort of "landmark" release. It was the earliest release for which Y2K support was available; actually 5.5-2 was the one supported. V5.0 is so old. . . . Very few people will run a .0 release of anything; rightly or wrongly, a .0 release is suspected of having at least as many bugs as it has features! Such a release almost always contains major changes and new features. ISTR that I installed V5.0 ONLY because I needed it to get to V5.2. I ran 5.0 for about an hour while 5.2 was being installed. Reboot and Poof! As to where to get documentation; it's out of print so you'll have to find somebody who still has a copy and is willing to part with it. Mine will have to be pried from my cold dead hands!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:18:50 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47c03994$0$10271$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> From 5.0 onwards, the changes to VMS have been more gradual than revolutionary. 5.0's documentation was the last to come in large binders. Commonly called the "Grey wall". From 5.5 onwards if I recall correctly, it was softcover books that were much smaller (and smaller font as I recall). Prior to 5.0, the documentation came in Orange binders. Host based volume shadowing came with 5.5-2 circa 1992-1993. (allowed mirror disks to exist via VMS on different nodes in a cluster). 5.0 came between 1988 and 1989 if I remember correctly. It was the first version to have the LMF (License management facility). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: On Feb 22, 11:43=A0pm, Ivan wrote: > I am doing some research for a school paper about old versions of > VMS, =A0but I am having a hard time finding any documentation on VMS 5.0 > - VMS 5.5. wikipedia might be a good starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenV= MS =46rom there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/20th/vmsbook.pdf Design documents and discussion (VAXnotes) where only available on 'Easynet'. That was the DECnet based intranet used at the time. Stuff just did not appear on the internet, other then perhaps c.o.v. PDF was unheard of. Runoff and DECdocument were the ubiquitous document formats and "PostScript" for the nice output. Anyway... the best online historical VMS manual set I knwo of is made available by 'sysworks'. It's a goldmine: http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.html > Does anyone have any idea of where I can get the docs? The OpenVMS doc, depending on the version, is often refered to as 'the grey wall' or such, for reason. You know that would be several boxes full of Orange or Blue coloured ringbinders. Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall" > I'm also looking for info on cluster configuration for those versions. http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$cddoc04jan11/decw$book/ek-vaxcs-cg__004_b2.d= ecw$book For details down to the bits the "VAX Cluster Principles" book by Roy G Davis ishoudl be great. It is OpenVMS 5.5-1 based. Digital Press ISBN 1-55558-112-9 Cheers, Hein. [Hope I did not do your homework :-] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:11:46 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47C045C2.9030903@comcast.net> Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On Feb 22, 11:43 pm, Ivan wrote: > >>I am doing some research for a school paper about old versions of >>VMS, but I am having a hard time finding any documentation on VMS 5.0 >>- VMS 5.5. > > > wikipedia might be a good starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS > From there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/20th/vmsbook.pdf > > Design documents and discussion (VAXnotes) where only available on > 'Easynet'. > That was the DECnet based intranet used at the time. > Stuff just did not appear on the internet, other then perhaps c.o.v. > PDF was unheard of. Runoff and DECdocument were the ubiquitous > document formats and "PostScript" for the nice output. > > Anyway... the best online historical VMS manual set I knwo of is made > available by 'sysworks'. > It's a goldmine: http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.html > > >>Does anyone have any idea of where I can get the docs? > > > The OpenVMS doc, depending on the version, is often refered to as 'the > grey wall' or such, for reason. > You know that would be several boxes full of Orange or Blue coloured > ringbinders. > Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to > a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a > recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall" > > >>I'm also looking for info on cluster configuration for those versions. > > > http://www.sysworks.com.au/disk$cddoc04jan11/decw$book/ek-vaxcs-cg__004_b2.decw$book > > For details down to the bits the "VAX Cluster Principles" book by Roy > G Davis ishoudl be great. > It is OpenVMS 5.5-1 based. Digital Press ISBN 1-55558-112-9 > > Cheers, > Hein. > > [Hope I did not do your homework :-] Orange????? Officially it was "Chinese Red" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:40:20 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47c04c72$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: >> Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to >> a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a >> recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall" > > Orange????? Officially it was "Chinese Red" I have never heard about "chinese red wall". Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:41:32 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47c04cba$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > Prior to 5.0, the documentation came in Orange binders. It was Orangle in V4, but I have been told that it was blue in V3. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:45:13 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47c04d98$0$90266$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > VMS V5.5 was a sort of "landmark" release. It was the earliest release > for which Y2K support was available; actually 5.5-2 was the one supported. There is a tendency to that the last version within a major version become used in many many years, because some sites for various reasons do not want to make a major version upgrade. The 4.7 systems may have been decommissioned by now. But I am sure that 5.5-2 and 6.2-1Hx are still some of the most widely used versions (and 7.3-2 could be more used than 8.x for all I know). Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ivan Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <3fa051b0-19e7-4014-8d5b-abe6f1650bd0@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Thank you so much for all the responses! I do believe I now have everything I need... I wouldn't be able to complete this assignment without your help. Have a good weekend! Ivan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ivan Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <9020c070-d39a-4c37-b5b1-5e982812694a@60g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> No, you did not do my homework, but you certainly put me in the right track.... thank you so much... Ivan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:03:35 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47C051E7.9040009@comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: >> >>> Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to >>> a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a >>> recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall" >> >> >> Orange????? Officially it was "Chinese Red" > > > I have never heard about "chinese red wall". > > Arne No, you wouldn't. Nobody called it that outside of a few "suits" at DEC. To EVERYONE ELSE it was the "orange wall". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:05:30 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <47C0525A.4050705@comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> Prior to 5.0, the documentation came in Orange binders. > > > It was Orangle in V4, but I have been told that it was blue in V3. > > Arne V2 was blue and perhaps early V3. By the time I got my V3.6 doc set, it had Orange binders. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2008 17:24:33 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS 5.0 - VMS 5.5 Message-ID: <62b36hF22ful7U3@mid.individual.net> In article <47C051E7.9040009@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>> Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: >>> >>>> Just google this newsgroup for 'orange wall' and you'll stumble in to >>>> a 1999 JF M topic "Colour of DEC documentation Options" as well as a >>>> recent offering by Tom Garcia "Free: VMS orange wall" >>> >>> >>> Orange????? Officially it was "Chinese Red" >> >> >> I have never heard about "chinese red wall". >> >> Arne > > No, you wouldn't. Nobody called it that outside of a few "suits" at > DEC. To EVERYONE ELSE it was the "orange wall". That's like my MGB (and the Triumph Spitfire I used to have along with it). Everybody who saw it said it was orange, like a pumpkin but the "official" color was Vermillion!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.108 ************************