INFO-VAX Sun, 06 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 193 Contents: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets RE: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Mark Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Mark RE: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 06:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Message-ID: <0aa0e6bf-d781-44f9-9cc6-2b861c42091d@8g2000hsu.googlegroups.com> On Apr 5, 8:04 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <3abe5a74-b36b-412d-b715-866358e61...@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > > > >On Apr 1, 9:42 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article , AEF writes: > > >> >On Apr 1, 7:53 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >[...] > >> >> Gas turbines aren't enormously efficient! 60% at most. A 7% dip in the > >> >> grid for an hour didn't affect anything significantly! Well, if the process is 60% efficient, that means it takes 1/.6 times the power in terms of heat input to produce the electric power. So the less efficient the process, the more in raw materials you save by reducing electrical usage. > > >> >> -- > >> >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > >> >Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_enginefortypical heat-engine > >> >efficiencies. > > >> Then why didn't you consult wiki's gas turbine efficiency reference? Why? The reference I provided (albeit with an unfortunate typo) was quite sufficient. I saw no need to go any further. So why didn't YOU consult any of this? > > >This question is too vague to answer. > > >> >Remember the 3 laws of thermodynamics: > > >> >1. You can't win. > > >> >2. You can't even break even. > > >> >3. You gotta play the game. > > >> Wow. I'm going to have to toss my Sears and Salinger "Thermodynamics, > >> Kinetic Theory, and Statistical Thermodynamics" in the fire as they've > >> mislead me on these laws. > > >> dU=dQ-dw ... hogwash! > > >> dS=dQ/T .... doggerel! > > >> lim S=0 .... utter bullshit! > >> T->0 > > >Do you get it or not? Here it looks like you don't. > > Do you have any powers of comprehension whatsoever? You mean the above about tossing out your thermo book is supposed to be amusing? It is so bad and lame as an attempt at humor I didn't know what to make of it. Hence my response. > > >> If I should cross paths with Dr. Smith, I'll personally thank him for > >> wasting several hours a week for two semesters which would have been > >> better spent in the pub contemplating the adiabatic boundary keeping > >> heat flow (q) from my favorite beverages. :) > > >Here it looks like you do. > > Thermodynamics is a waste of time. Got it! What a knee-slapper! ;-) > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:52:36 GMT From: D Gillbilly Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Message-ID: <47f8d2c9.601711140@news.aliant.net> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:50:48 +0000, "Main, Kerry" wrote: >All, > >The readers of this list might be interested in the following links: > >http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA1-7816ENW.pdf (Feb 2008) >http://tinyurl.com/2kpvhw (see video testimonial as well) >"World's largest financial exchange organization delivers superior service with >HP OpenVMS clusters on HP Integrity server blades Deutsche Börse Group processes >tens of millions of transactions daily with less than 10-millisecond response >times [see rest of brochure] > >http://tinyurl.com/2leclp (see video testimonial as well) >"Messaging service provider stays ahead of a booming text-messaging market. Service >provider grows to deliver more than half of the world's mobile messages-with minimal >changes to its infrastructure. > >"We built our SMS service on top of HP BladeSystem and the HP OpenVMS operating >system because of the high availability and clustering capabilities of the solution. >We've been able to scale our system to become an industry leader while providing >continuous service to our customers." >-- Steven van Zeanen, Vice President of Marketing, Acision > > >http://tinyurl.com/3bth2y >World's fastest-growing equity options exchange trades up to HP Integrity-OpenVMS >Architecture. > >"The HP OpenVMS operating system on Integrity servers is extremely stable with >excellent capacity and availability. We have found its reliability, security, and >clustering features to be valuable and to uniquely meet our performance demands." >Richard Ens, Head of System, Storage, and Network Engineering, >International Securities Exchange > > > >Regards > >Kerry Main >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada >Voice: 613-254-8911 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >(remove the DOT's and AT) > >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > Hi Kerry, I really enjoy reading OpenVMS news, but... http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA1-7816ENW.pdf (Feb 2008) http://tinyurl.com/2kpvhw (see video testimonial as well) "World's largest financial exchange organization delivers superior service with HP OpenVMS clusters on HP Integrity server blades Deutsche Börse Group processes tens of millions of transactions daily with less than 10-millisecond response times [see rest of brochure] From page 1 Approach: ... for small- to mid-sized computing needs ... My response: Just to simply sit on my hands and smile? :-) Thanks!!! :-) :-) Duane My opinion on the importance of OpenVMS news and being able to find it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:33:50 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: D Gillbilly [mailto:gillbilly@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: April 6, 2008 9:53 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and > Telecom Markets > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:50:48 +0000, "Main, Kerry" > wrote: > > >All, > > > >The readers of this list might be interested in the following links: > > > >http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA1-7816ENW.pdf (Feb 2008) > >http://tinyurl.com/2kpvhw (see video testimonial as well) > >"World's largest financial exchange organization delivers superior > service with > >HP OpenVMS clusters on HP Integrity server blades Deutsche B=F6rse Group > processes > >tens of millions of transactions daily with less than 10-millisecond > response > >times [see rest of brochure] > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2leclp (see video testimonial as well) > >"Messaging service provider stays ahead of a booming text-messaging > market. Service > >provider grows to deliver more than half of the world's mobile > messages-with minimal > >changes to its infrastructure. > > > >"We built our SMS service on top of HP BladeSystem and the HP OpenVMS > operating > >system because of the high availability and clustering capabilities of > the solution. > >We've been able to scale our system to become an industry leader while > providing > >continuous service to our customers." > >-- Steven van Zeanen, Vice President of Marketing, Acision > > > > > >http://tinyurl.com/3bth2y > >World's fastest-growing equity options exchange trades up to HP > Integrity-OpenVMS > >Architecture. > > > >"The HP OpenVMS operating system on Integrity servers is extremely > stable with > >excellent capacity and availability. We have found its reliability, > security, and > >clustering features to be valuable and to uniquely meet our > performance demands." > >Richard Ens, Head of System, Storage, and Network Engineering, > >International Securities Exchange > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Kerry Main > >Senior Consultant > >HP Services Canada > >Voice: 613-254-8911 > >Fax: 613-591-4477 > >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > >(remove the DOT's and AT) > > > >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > > > Hi Kerry, > > I really enjoy reading OpenVMS news, but... > > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA1-7816ENW.pdf (Feb 2008) > > http://tinyurl.com/2kpvhw (see video testimonial as well) > "World's largest financial exchange organization delivers superior > service with > HP OpenVMS clusters on HP Integrity server blades Deutsche B=F6rse Group > processes > tens of millions of transactions daily with less than 10-millisecond > response > times [see rest of brochure] > > From page 1 > > Approach: ... for small- to mid-sized computing needs ... > > My response: > > Just to simply sit on my hands and smile? :-) > > Thanks!!! :-) :-) > > Duane > > > My opinion on the importance of OpenVMS news and being able to find it. > > Well, the intent was to emphasize "clusters" of inexpensive blades where each individual blade on their own is targeted for small to medium businesses. After reading, I guess it could have been worded better. Having stated this, I don't think to many small to med businesses have the following levels of transactions (extract from same 1st pg in PDF): Objective: Process 40 to 50 million financial transactions daily with zero downtime and 10-millisecond response times. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:20:15 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Mark Message-ID: <7dd80f60804060920v21f0b38fo4cba2c05e6b63c1c@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:48 AM, JF Mezei wrote (in part): > In my universe, Blades have always been pitched to large organisations > who need extra space in their data centre and wish to stuff many servers > into a single box. And Blades have been seen as a higher margin products > since they provide additional "value" in terms of having more servers > per rack units of space. > > Funny, I never saw those beasts as being targettes at small to medium > business. > > Perhaps in the VMS universe, "small medium" business now refer to the > lower end of Fortune 500, with "large business" being in the top 25 of > the Fortune 500 ? No, just like large disk farms have been replaced by either larger disks or disk arrays which use much less space, blades can be used by any size organization to reduce the amount of space needed by the same number of regular servers. And the space needed for possible expansion is greatly reduced or eliminated. Consider a small shop with a 3 node cluster of ES40/45 style Alpha servers. Those three machine can all fit in one rack and at least another rack is needed for storage. If another ES style alpha server is needed for expansion, another rack is needed, but there may not be room to fit it so they do without. Now consider replacing the 3 original machines with a c7000 blade enclosure and 3 blades -- leaving 5 empty slots. That fits in the space of one ES40/45 Alpha Server and you have room left over in the rack, maybe enough for all of the storage needs. Now when expansion is needed, just buy another blade and insert into the same enclosure. No need to find space for another rack. Even small shops can see the savings in that scenario. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:48:25 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrity + Blades Testimonials - Financial and Telecom Markets Mark Message-ID: <47f8f0cc$0$20613$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > Well, the intent was to emphasize "clusters" of inexpensive blades where > each individual blade on their own is targeted for small to medium > businesses. After reading, I guess it could have been worded better. So now, Blades have become what HP considers to be the low end of IA64? In my universe, Blades have always been pitched to large organisations who need extra space in their data centre and wish to stuff many servers into a single box. And Blades have been seen as a higher margin products since they provide additional "value" in terms of having more servers per rack units of space. Funny, I never saw those beasts as being targettes at small to medium business. Perhaps in the VMS universe, "small medium" business now refer to the lower end of Fortune 500, with "large business" being in the top 25 of the Fortune 500 ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:00:48 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mattst88@gmail.com [mailto:mattst88@gmail.com] > Sent: April 6, 2008 12:00 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture > > On Apr 1, 7:29 am, Keith Cayemberg wrote: > > On Mar 27, 11:08 pm, "John Wallace" > > wrote: > > > > > These things define the architecture. Then there are various > generations of > > > CPU chips which implement the architecture, and various generations > of > > > support chips which connect the CPU chips to the outside world (PCI > and the > > > like). The chips usually come with their own documentation, which > might or > > > might not be of interest depending on your plans. Documentation for > chips > > > used to live > athttp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/but > I > > > think that's gone (it's not there right now), and I don't know of > any > > > official replacements which still work (there were some, they're > gone too). > > > > Try the Wayback > Machine...http://web.archive.org/web/20070317053600/http://ftp.digital. > com/pub/... > > > > Cheers! > > > > Keith > > I've made a nice little collection of alpha programming related links > on my site: http://mattst88.com/?page=3Dlinks#alpha > > Hope you find them useful. Another couple of links which may be of interest for your list: OpenVMS Porting Documentation: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/porting.html OpenVMS Archived Doc's (some developer related): http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.193 ************************