INFO-VAX Fri, 08 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 430 Contents: Re: Apache 2.1-1 and PHP 1.3 - no "glob" function? Re: Apache 2.1-1 and PHP 1.3 - no "glob" function? Re: Apache 2.1-1 and PHP 1.3 - no "glob" function? Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: Example: VMS to Web Browser "push" technology Re: Example: VMS to Web Browser "push" technology Re: Example: VMS to Web Browser "push" technology Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Expiration date on Files Re: Questions i need answered SSH Re: SSH Re: SSH Re: SSH Re: SSH Re: SSH VMSMail problem Re: VMSMail problem Re: VMSMail problem Re: VMSMail problem Re: VMSMail problem Re: VMSMail problem Re: VMSMail problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:58:14 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Apache 2.1-1 and PHP 1.3 - no "glob" function? Message-ID: <489ba82c$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Martin Vorlaender wrote: > none wrote: >> "Craig A. Berry" wrote: >>> You can log a call with HP and see if they have any plans >>> to update their three-year-old PHP kit, [...] >> 3 years old? The PHP 1.3 ECO2 kit is from April 2008. > > ...and the release notes state that it only corrects various errors. > > The original CSWS_PHP 1.3 kit was published in November 2005. And it is based on PHP 4.3 which was first released in December 2002. And the PHP team will stop developing security patches for PHP 4 tomorrow (August 8th). A PHP 5 port for VMS is long overdue ! Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:59:31 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Apache 2.1-1 and PHP 1.3 - no "glob" function? Message-ID: <489ba878$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> none wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:11:21 -0700, "Tom Linden" > wrote: >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:50:52 -0700, Craig A. Berry >> wrote: >>> Most likely the glob() in PHP depends on the glob() in the CRTL, which >>> didn't come along until OVMS v8.2. The PHP kit for Alpha states that it >>> works on OVMS Alpha v7.3-2 or later, which would typically mean it was >>> linked on v7.3-2 or at least against 7.3-2 run-time libraries, where >>> there would be no glob() function to link to. So most likely the error >>> message you are getting is telling you the truth, i.e., the glob() >>> function really is unimplemented in the PHP kit you have. >>> You probably won't like any of your options, but these are the ones that >>> come to mind. You can log a call with HP and see if they have any plans >>> to update their three-year-old PHP kit, you can build it yourself from >>> sources (which various people have reported difficulty doing), or you >>> can ditch PHP and use Perl, which implemented its own glob() on VMS a >>> decade or more before anyone saw fit to add it to the CRTL. >> Why can't he add glob to his version of the crtl? > > I'm already running VMS 8.3, which *should* include the glob() > function.... so it would seem as though the HP implementation of PHP > may not have that function activated. Which could be because the code is intended to also run on versions older than 8.2 ! Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:01:21 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Apache 2.1-1 and PHP 1.3 - no "glob" function? Message-ID: <489ba8e6$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:50:52 -0700, Craig A. Berry >> You probably won't like any of your options, but these are the ones that >> come to mind. You can log a call with HP and see if they have any plans >> to update their three-year-old PHP kit, you can build it yourself from >> sources (which various people have reported difficulty doing), or you >> can ditch PHP and use Perl, which implemented its own glob() on VMS a >> decade or more before anyone saw fit to add it to the CRTL. > > Why can't he add glob to his version of the crtl? He would still need to rebuild PHP with glob enabled. And "add to CRTL" ?? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:45:19 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <00ab3793$0$20308$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> sampsal@gmail.com wrote: > There's apparently an overflow flat in Multinet's Fingerd as well: > > http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2008/Aug/0056.html This appears to behave as described on at least VAX VMS V7.3 MultiNet V5.1 Rev A-X but not on Alpha VMS V8.3 V5.2 Rev A-X or I64 VMS V8.3 V5.2 Rev A-X (three platforms I have access to). $ echo `perl -e 'print "a"x1000'` | nc -v host.name 79 Connection to host.name 79 port [tcp/finger] succeeded! I guess we can assume the 'group of lads' would be keeping an occasional eye on c.o.v. :-) -- So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking Racing around to come up behind you again. The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older, Shorter of breath and one day closer to death. [Mason, Waters, Wright, Gilmour; The Dark Side of the Moon] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:11:23 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <8660a3a10808071711y49326bci2d6514c28357e72d@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_50369_12868342.1218154283494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Mark Daniel wrote: > http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-16/dc-16-speakers.html#Oberg > > is due to be presented this Sunday, Aug 10th 2008 > > Does anyone know ... > > o whether there will be anyone from the VMS community at this event; > > o the content of this presentation; > > o whether the 'proceedings' will be published? > > The abstract is protraying the potential exploits as novel and so would > make an interesting read. > > -- > Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day > You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way. > Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town > Waiting for someone or something to show you the way. > [Mason, Waters, Wright, Gilmour; The Dark Side of the Moon] > The last "black hat" stuff I read (and it was a while ago) was quite outdated and went back to the days when SYSTEM, FIELD, etc had default passwords set at installation time. That's no longer the case, and has been for some time. WWWebb ------=_Part_50369_12868342.1218154283494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> wrote:
http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-16/dc-16-speakers.html#Oberg

is due to be presented this Sunday, Aug 10th 2008

Does anyone know ...

o  whether there will be anyone from the VMS community at this event;

o  the content of this presentation;

o  whether the 'proceedings' will be published?

The abstract is protraying the potential exploits as novel and so would make an interesting read.

--
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
[Mason, Waters, Wright, Gilmour; The Dark Side of the Moon]

 
The last "black hat" stuff I read (and it was a while ago) was quite outdated and went back to the days when SYSTEM, FIELD, etc had default passwords set at installation time.
 
That's no longer the case, and has been for some time.

WWWebb
------=_Part_50369_12868342.1218154283494-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:37:17 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <489B953D.3070304@comcast.net> Mark Daniel wrote: > http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-16/dc-16-speakers.html#Oberg > > is due to be presented this Sunday, Aug 10th 2008 > > Does anyone know ... > > o whether there will be anyone from the VMS community at this event; > > o the content of this presentation; > > o whether the 'proceedings' will be published? > > The abstract is protraying the potential exploits as novel and so would > make an interesting read. I will wait for this weekend, like some of us, but in the meantime, I will note that one of the presenters claims to have an interest in "social engineering". Of course, the abstract promises "0day vulnerabilities", but we will have to wait and see. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 06:52:32 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Example: VMS to Web Browser "push" technology Message-ID: Hi David, wrote in message news:g7ep32$h9u$1@south.jnrs.ja.net... > In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > >Hi, > > > >3) Enter the IP address of your client node. Your "stock-monitor" from step > >1 should now spring into life with ransom stock-prices generated at 2sec > >intervals. (NATed clients will find this bit problematic :-) > > > I knew the government suspected shorters of spreading rumours etc to trash > companies stock prices but ransoming stock prices is taking it to a whole new > level :) > It was a genuine typo, but maybe it makes more sense these days with the two star players being Negative Equity and Margin Call :-) Cheers Richard Maher > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:31:26 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Example: VMS to Web Browser "push" technology Message-ID: Hi Jan-Erik, > OK, tested sucessfuly. Some comments below. Thanks. I knew I could rely on you. > Interesting... :-) Don't forget that with subnets you can also use the UDP "broadcast" capability (and not have to subscribe directly to the server at all) and Multicasting would be even better (If you are using Signed-Applets or stand-alone applications on the client. Why an UNsigned-applet can't join a Multicast group and receive messages from the codebase is a mystery to me.) > Now I logged into my DSL/NAT router and forwarded port 1234 > to my office PC client NAT'ed address (a 192.168.x.x address). You're a champion! Thanks for letting me know, I'll pass it on to someone else who was asking. > Entered my dyndns-domain for my office DSL router. > Worked like charm... :-) > > Stock prices begun to arrive and the "Tier3 Messages" > popup poped up... Result! > Yep, just a few 10's of a second delay from Deathrow to my > "Tier3 Messages" popup. Nice. > > I'm using a public ISP in Sweden, b.t.w... Yep, I have to admit to being impressed with the performance of traffic emanating from a crappy VAX (in Florida I believe?) A more impressive demonstration being the auto-suggest for the VMS Queue Names in http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_web.html but this is still pretty cool nonetheless! Just goes to show what can be achieved when all the http/webserver/interpreter/process-management crud is removed. > What is the "Bid for the Stock" button supposed to do ? It's just a stub to say "This is where you'd put the code to do something useful". It is also a demonstration of how the Event Dispatching Thread (EDT) has not been blocked or hindered by the behind the scenes stock-price and message processing! In a real-world example I'd see things happening something like this: - . You'd logon to your Tier3 application as illustrated in http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_flash.html . Your server application would offer Message-Subscription as one of it's services and tell a detached VMS process to include your client's IP Address/port in its list of customers . Your user is now free to perform normal Application-X processing . If the user sees something like a stock-price that they want to bid on, they click on the button and the buy/sell order is sent via your Tier3 pipe. . UDP messages having no SSL protection or sequencing or reliability gurantees. things such as Sequence Numbers, Heart Beats etc need to be incorporated into the design . OPCOM or adhoc messages are relayed to all users/subscribers by sending the messages via a mailbox to the local VMS detached process Obviously the above is just one suggestion, and I didn't wish to clutter up a simple example with application-specific idiosyncrasies, so what I tried to convey with DEMO_UDP_MSG.COB is just how easy this is from the VMS side, and with Tier3Pager.java and Tier3Talk.java just how easy the client side is to develope! Stock-Prices? Chat-Sessions? WhiteBoards? OPCOM messages? It's all good! And you don't need Tier3 (or any other middleware at all) to obtain this functionality. Obviously the sensible among you will see where Tier3 comes in (Click that button :-) but it is an option pack. In a nutshell, UDP tells you when there is something to do, and your Tier3 TCP/IP persistent connection is used to verify what's going on and perform the work if need be. Obviously with Intranets, or now more importantly with IPsec, a whole lot more in the way of functionality and options is available to all of us! Cheers Richard Maher "Jan-Erik Söderholm" wrote in message news:FjCmk.1547$U5.901@newsb.telia.net... > OK, tested sucessfuly. Some comments below. > > Interesting... :-) > > Best Regards, > Jan-Erik. > > Richard Maher wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If you'd like to see an example of a bog-standard VMS server that sends UDP > > messages to Web-client subscribers, then please follow these instructions: - > > > > 1) Click on the following link and read the instructions: > > http://manson.vistech.net/~tier3/tier3pager.html > > OK, that bringed up the "Tier3 push Integration Demo" page in > a new tab in my Firefox. So far so good... > > > 2) Telnet to manson.vistech.net. (If you don't already have an account on > > the Deathrow cluster then please use Username: DEMO Password: USER) and > > then: > > > > $set term/width=132 > > $run sys$users:[users.tier3.web]demo_udp_msg > > No problem, got the address/domain prompt. > > Now I logged into my DSL/NAT router and forwarded port 1234 > to my office PC client NAT'ed address (a 192.168.x.x address). > > > 3) Enter the IP address of your client node. Your "stock-monitor" from step > > 1 should now spring into life with ransom stock-prices generated at 2sec > > intervals. (NATed clients will find this bit problematic :-) > > Entered my dyndns-domain for my office DSL router. > Worked like charm... :-) > > Stock prices begun to arrive and the "Tier3 Messages" > popup poped up... > > > > > 4) Enter any adhoc messages that you wish to appear in the seperate Java > > Frame on the client. > > Yep, just a few 10's of a second delay from Deathrow to my > "Tier3 Messages" popup. Nice. > > I'm using a public ISP in Sweden, b.t.w... > > What is the "Bid for the Stock" button supposed to do ? > > Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:47:11 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Example: VMS to Web Browser "push" technology Message-ID: Richard Maher wrote: > ...and tell a detached VMS process to include your client's IP > Address/port in its list of customers Yes, I was thinking about that part. How the client would "subscribe" to the information. I'm seeing a "factory dashboard" application showing "daily production" typ of info. Makes upper management happy... :-) B.t.w, I'm not updated on the actual UDP vs. TCP differences. Was there some special reason to use UDP ? Whould it be harder (more complex) to use TCP instead ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:13:52 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006422FF8525749E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that date-time occurs? If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this from happening instantaneously? Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? --=_alternative 006422FF8525749E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that date-time occurs?
If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this from happening instantaneously?

Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field?
--=_alternative 006422FF8525749E_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: <3e561974-ad12-415f-b3ca-cbd35a7a2046@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 2:13=A0pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > date-time occurs? No. > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > from happening instantaneously? > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? See Jerry Leichter's response to a similar question @ http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/8b7fdb40d60= e8441 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:35:19 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > date-time occurs? > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > from happening instantaneously? > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? An expiration date prevents a file from being deleted prior to the expiration date. This can be overridden if you have VOLPRO privilege. I used to put expiration dates on backup tapes to ensure that they could not be accidentally overwritten. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: BHall Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: <17a357c3-3844-4ccf-a881-ec4831fb0519@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 1:35=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > > date-time occurs? > > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > > from happening instantaneously? > > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? > > An expiration date prevents a file from being deleted prior to the > expiration date. =A0This can be overridden if you have VOLPRO privilege. > > I used to put expiration dates on backup tapes to ensure that they could > not be accidentally overwritten. An expiration date on a file does not prevent that file from being deleted! Unless, you use the /EXPIRED qualifier to modify the DELETE filespec selection criteria. /BACKUP, /CREATED,/EXPIRED, and / MODIFIED all select the file date field to which the /BEFORE and / SINCE date/time selection criteria is applied. I'd like to see support for the last accessed date added to DCL. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:18:17 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006F87068525749E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" BHall wrote on 08/07/2008 03:54:35 PM: > On Aug 7, 1:35 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > > > date-time occurs? > > > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > > > from happening instantaneously? > > > > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? > > > > An expiration date prevents a file from being deleted prior to the > > expiration date. This can be overridden if you have VOLPRO privilege. > > > > I used to put expiration dates on backup tapes to ensure that they could > > not be accidentally overwritten. > > An expiration date on a file does not prevent that file from being > deleted! Unless, you use the /EXPIRED qualifier to modify the DELETE > filespec selection criteria. /BACKUP, /CREATED,/EXPIRED, and / > MODIFIED all select the file date field to which the /BEFORE and / > SINCE date/time selection criteria is applied. I'd like to see > support for the last accessed date added to DCL. > > Bill I have (re)learned that the expiration date on the file is just another date to use for maintenance. In fact, the application in question does invoke a procedure around midnight every night (in conjuction with other activities to start the next day) that deletes files where the expiration date is passed. This does not explain what sent me down this rathole, which was that I restored some file that were (by that date) expired, and they are gone, nevertheless. I am going to repeat the process and see what's what. --=_alternative 006F87068525749E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
BHall <bill.hall@nav-international.com> wrote on 08/07/2008 03:54:35 PM:

> On Aug 7, 1:35 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that
> > > date-time occurs?
> > > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this
> > > from happening instantaneously?
> >
> > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field?
> >
> > An expiration date prevents a file from being deleted prior to the
> > expiration date.  This can be overridden if you have VOLPRO privilege.
> >
> > I used to put expiration dates on backup tapes to ensure that they could
> > not be accidentally overwritten.
>
> An expiration date on a file does not prevent that file from being
> deleted!  Unless, you use the /EXPIRED qualifier to modify the DELETE
> filespec selection criteria.  /BACKUP, /CREATED,/EXPIRED, and /
> MODIFIED all select the file date field to which the /BEFORE and /
> SINCE date/time selection criteria is applied.  I'd like to see
> support for the last accessed date added to DCL.
>
> Bill

I have (re)learned that the expiration date on the file is just another
date to use for maintenance.

In fact, the application in question does invoke a procedure around midnight
every night (in conjuction with other activities to start the next day) that
deletes files where the expiration date is passed.

This does not explain what sent me down this rathole, which was that I restored
some file that were (by that date) expired, and they are gone, nevertheless.
I am going to repeat the process and see what's what. --=_alternative 006F87068525749E_=-- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 2008 16:04:40 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: In article , norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > --=_alternative 006422FF8525749E_= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > date-time occurs? > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > from happening instantaneously? > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? The expiration date serves several purposes. BACKUP can be told to process or skip files by expiration date, unless it's operating in physical mode. The expiration date can also be set by the OS if volume retention is enabled and the file has been accessed. But the OS does not do anything about the expiration date. And, it can be set via "set file/expiration_date". A system manager could, in principle, scan all disks for files which expired before a given date and delete them. I've never seen that actually done. You can find these descriptions, amoung other places, in the DCL manual where the relavent commands describe what they use the /expiration_date or /expired qualifiers for. I suspect there's also some discussion in the "Guide to OpenVMS File Applications", "User's Manual", and "System Manager's Manual". ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 2008 16:06:40 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >> >> Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that >> date-time occurs? >> If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this >> from happening instantaneously? >> >> Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? > > An expiration date prevents a file from being deleted prior to the > expiration date. This can be overridden if you have VOLPRO privilege. > No, it does not. At last not on disk files, it doesn't: $ set file a.a/expire=1-mar-2010 $ sh time 7-AUG-2008 17:05:47 $ del/log a.a; %DELETE-I-FILDEL, USER1:[KOEHLER]a.a;1 deleted (4 blocks) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: BHall Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: <3f1da8b3-a07a-44c4-b669-346adbe3b8c6@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 3:18=A0pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > BHall wrote on 08/07/2008 03:54:35 PM: > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 1:35 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > > > norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when > that > > > > date-time occurs? > > > > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep > this > > > > from happening instantaneously? > > > > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? > > > > An expiration date prevents a file from being deleted prior to the > > > expiration date. =A0This can be overridden if you have VOLPRO privile= ge. > > > > I used to put expiration dates on backup tapes to ensure that they > could > > > not be accidentally overwritten. > > > An expiration date on a file does not prevent that file from being > > deleted! =A0Unless, you use the /EXPIRED qualifier to modify the DELETE > > filespec selection criteria. =A0/BACKUP, /CREATED,/EXPIRED, and / > > MODIFIED all select the file date field to which the /BEFORE and / > > SINCE date/time selection criteria is applied. =A0I'd like to see > > support for the last accessed date added to DCL. > > > Bill > > I have (re)learned that the expiration date on the file is just another > date to use for maintenance. > > In fact, the application in question does invoke a procedure around > midnight > every night (in conjuction with other activities to start the next day) > that > deletes files where the expiration date is passed. > > This does not explain what sent me down this rathole, which was that I > restored > some file that were (by that date) expired, and they are gone, > nevertheless. > I am going to repeat the process and see what's what. Restore the files once more. Then do a $set file/ expiration_date=3D on the each of the restored files. You could also do a $set file/noexpiration_date to completely remove the date. In either case the expiration date may be adjusted again the next time the file is opened depending on the volumes retention settings. Bill ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 2008 16:10:28 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: In article , norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > > In fact, the application in question does invoke a procedure around > midnight > every night (in conjuction with other activities to start the next day) > that > deletes files where the expiration date is passed. > > This does not explain what sent me down this rathole, which was that I > restored > some file that were (by that date) expired, and they are gone, > nevertheless. > I am going to repeat the process and see what's what. If the application is deleting expired files, you'll need a backup tape made before the files were deleted (obvious). Butin the dark reaches of my mind I recall reading that BACKUP will not restore expired files unless told to do so, probably the /expired qualifier. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 2008 16:07:48 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: In article <17a357c3-3844-4ccf-a881-ec4831fb0519@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, BHall writes: > > An expiration date on a file does not prevent that file from being > deleted! Unless, you use the /EXPIRED qualifier to modify the DELETE > filespec selection criteria. /BACKUP, /CREATED,/EXPIRED, and / > MODIFIED all select the file date field to which the /BEFORE and / > SINCE date/time selection criteria is applied. I'd like to see > support for the last accessed date added to DCL. "last accessed" on VMS is implemented via volume retention, which uses the expiration date. What support for the expiration date is lacking from DCL? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: BHall Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: <0f17e39c-728e-40a8-ab8c-30c28c01aed6@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 4:07=A0pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <17a357c3-3844-4ccf-a881-ec4831fb0...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups= .com>, BHall writes: > > > > > An expiration date on a file does not prevent that file from being > > deleted! =A0Unless, you use the /EXPIRED qualifier to modify the DELETE > > filespec selection criteria. =A0/BACKUP, /CREATED,/EXPIRED, and / > > MODIFIED all select the file date field to which the /BEFORE and / > > SINCE date/time selection criteria is applied. =A0I'd like to see > > support for the last accessed date added to DCL. > > =A0 =A0"last accessed" on VMS is implemented via volume retention, which > =A0 =A0uses the expiration date. > > =A0 =A0What support for the expiration date is lacking from DCL? Bob, I'm referring to the ODS-5 access date. Enbled with a $SET VOLUME/ VOLUME_CHARACTERISTICS=3DACCESS_DATES. In the past we set the volume retention window to "emulate" the last access date and used the expiration date as an approximation of the last access time. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "winston19842005@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: On Aug 7, 2:13 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > date-time occurs? > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > from happening instantaneously? > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? Gee, hasn't anyone here heard of "delete/file=expired"? Or am I delusional? You can set a file to be expired, but an explicit delete telling it to delete expired files is required. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: <9c1cdee0-d39e-40c2-b2d4-040fb19775cd@a21g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 3:59=A0pm, "winston19842...@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Aug 7, 2:13 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > Does a file with an Expiration date get automagically deleted when that > > date-time occurs? > > If I want to restore an expired file from a backup, how can I keep this > > from happening instantaneously? > > > Where is the discussion of the behavior of this field? > > Gee, hasn't anyone here heard of "delete/file=3Dexpired"? > Or am I delusional? Delusional I guess...I didn't see a smiley. :-) Did you think to actually try the command you typed? Or at least check the documentation for DELETE? Ah well... > You can set a file to be expired, but an explicit delete telling it to > delete expired files is required. -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Expiration date on Files Message-ID: <072d5ac6-4c73-4fee-9243-0844425fa810@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 5:04 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , norm.raph...@metso.com writes: > > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > --=_alternative 006422FF8525749E_= > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > [...] > A system manager could, in principle, scan all disks for fileas which > expired before a given date and delete them. I've never seen that > actually done. It was done on the VAX (later, a VAXcluster) I used when I was a graduate student. The scratch disk had retention dates set to zero and 1 or .01 seconds, which emulated a last-accessed date. Daily, or nightly, or whatever, a batch job would delete all expired files, perhaps until some target free space was reached, or started the files with the earliest expiration dates and iterated upwards, or something like that. It worked reasonably well. > You can find these descriptions, amoung other places, in the DCL > manual where the relavent commands describe what they use the > /expiration_date or /expired qualifiers for. I suspect there's also > some discussion in the "Guide to OpenVMS File Applications", "User's > Manual", and "System Manager's Manual". It might be in the Sys Mgr's manual, but I don't recall it in any of them. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:51:03 -0700 From: Marty Kuhrt Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: DaveG wrote: > On Aug 5, 11:31 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DaveG [mailto:david.gudew...@abbott.com] >>> Sent: August 5, 2008 11:59 AM >>> To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com >>> Subject: Re: Questions i need answered >>> On Aug 4, 12:59 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: >>> >>>> In addition, if you want a Windows based point-click OpenVMS user >>> /disk / >>>> queue mgmt solution, reference: >>> (free)http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/argus/ >>>> (see sample screen shots on web pages) >>>> Regards >>>> Kerry Main >>>> Senior Consultant >>>> HP Services Canada >>>> Voice: 613-254-8911 >>>> Fax: 613-591-4477 >>>> kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >>>> (remove the DOT's and AT) >>>> OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. >>> While OpenVMS management station ( aka argus) started out as a good >>> idea for help desk tasks, etc. several flaws were pointed out to the >>> powers that be and as a (bad) result there have been no updates to >>> this product in years. I believe it was sent over the pond (from the >>> U.S.) somewhere and never heard from again. >> Still works fine on my VMS V8.3 home Alphas. >> >> V3.3 came out in July 2006 timeframe. Reference:http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/argus/V33_Install.pdf >> >> :-) >> >> Regards >> >> Kerry Main >> Senior Consultant >> HP Services Canada >> Voice: 613-254-8911 >> Fax: 613-591-4477 >> kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >> (remove the DOT's and AT) >> >> OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > Working? Sorta. How about limiting privs to those that need to let's > say simply reset a password, a common help desk task. How about > calling a DCL procedure from OMS? No can do. These and several other > suggestions were submitted and apparently fell upon deaf ears. Shame is there used to be a great product that did just this. When I worked at Symark we resold a product called UAFMAESTRO and X-UAFMAESTRO. You could connect to any node anywhere in your network (that had our server portion installed, anyway) and update all sorts of things. You could config the product so that "helpdesk" could only change passwords, etc. We sold it for a pittance and supported it vigorously, but we didn't sell much of it. I was even working on a Winders GUI front-end that would talk to the back-end servers to allow even the "winders special helmet" folks do basic auth fixes without having to figure out how to log into VMS and run authorize, etc. (It did diskquotas, rightslists, acls, and a bunch of other stuff, too) Developer and support salaries (minimal) out stripped sales (lower than minimal), and it was canned. Lather, rinse, repeat, for just about every third-party product in the VMS space. I'd guess HP is suffering from the same problem. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:10:44 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: SSH Message-ID: Just setup SSH on my system. VMS 8.2, TCPIP 5.6 Using "Reflection for UNIX and VMS" version 14.0 on the client (Win-XP). One session is just fine, but when I open a new reflection Windows and try to login, both sessions are logged off. The TCPIP$SSH_DEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH]TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG file says : > Thu 07 23:02:30 ERROR: FATAL ERROR: GETPTY ast_pending:1 > dsa10:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_sshd2.exe[38229]: > FATAL: GETPTY ast_pending:1 > %TCPIP-F-SSH_FATAL, non-specific fatal error condition No problem as long as I use only one session. Any thoughts ? Using plain telnet using multiple sessions is no problem at all. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:44:12 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: SSH Message-ID: <08080716441221_20200492@antinode.info> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > Just setup SSH on my system. VMS 8.2, TCPIP 5.6 > > Using "Reflection for UNIX and VMS" > version 14.0 on the client (Win-XP). > > One session is just fine, but when I open a new > reflection Windows and try to login, both > sessions are logged off. What happens if you use some other SSH client (like, say, SSH on the VMS system or on some handy UNIX-like system)? Does the fault lie with the VMS SSH server or with the Reflection client? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:03:44 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: SSH Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= > > >> Just setup SSH on my system. VMS 8.2, TCPIP 5.6 >> >> Using "Reflection for UNIX and VMS" >> version 14.0 on the client (Win-XP). >> >> One session is just fine, but when I open a new >> reflection Windows and try to login, both >> sessions are logged off. > > What happens if you use some other SSH client (like, say, SSH on the > VMS system or on some handy UNIX-like system)? Does the fault lie with > the VMS SSH server or with the Reflection client? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 I enabled SSH Client also. Then made some "SSH localhost" to create new SSH sessions localy, and *that* worked at least... But as sson as as tried to create a second Relfection session, they all "died". Reflection says "". Tomorrow I'll try with the Putty emulator which I think also supports SSH. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:11:00 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: SSH Message-ID: On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:03:44 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Steven M. Schweda wrote: >> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= >> >> >>> Just setup SSH on my system. VMS 8.2, TCPIP 5.6 >>> >>> Using "Reflection for UNIX and VMS" >>> version 14.0 on the client (Win-XP). >>> >>> One session is just fine, but when I open a new >>> reflection Windows and try to login, both >>> sessions are logged off. >> What happens if you use some other SSH client (like, say, SSH on the >> VMS system or on some handy UNIX-like system)? Does the fault lie with >> the VMS SSH server or with the Reflection client? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 > > > I enabled SSH Client also. > > Then made some "SSH localhost" to create new > SSH sessions localy, and *that* worked at least... > > But as sson as as tried to create a second > Relfection session, they all "died". Reflection > says "". > > Tomorrow I'll try with the Putty emulator which I > think also supports SSH. > > Jan-Erik. What does reflection give you that PuTTY doesn't offer, which works well for me. Running eXcursion on my laptop allows me tunnel back to run, e.g. emacs -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:52:33 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: SSH Message-ID: <489ba6d6$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Tom Linden wrote: > What does reflection give you that PuTTY doesn't offer, which works > well for me. Running eXcursion on my laptop allows me tunnel back > to run, e.g. emacs Not much. Slightly better VT emulation. Some scripting capabilities. But if it is part of the full Reflection package you also gets X. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:36:50 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: SSH Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:03:44 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: > >> Steven M. Schweda wrote: >>> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= >>> >>> >>>> Just setup SSH on my system. VMS 8.2, TCPIP 5.6 >>>> >>>> Using "Reflection for UNIX and VMS" >>>> version 14.0 on the client (Win-XP). >>>> >>>> One session is just fine, but when I open a new >>>> reflection Windows and try to login, both >>>> sessions are logged off. >>> What happens if you use some other SSH client (like, say, SSH on the >>> VMS system or on some handy UNIX-like system)? Does the fault lie with >>> the VMS SSH server or with the Reflection client? >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info >>> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 >>> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 >> >> >> I enabled SSH Client also. >> >> Then made some "SSH localhost" to create new >> SSH sessions localy, and *that* worked at least... >> >> But as sson as as tried to create a second >> Relfection session, they all "died". Reflection >> says "". >> >> Tomorrow I'll try with the Putty emulator which I >> think also supports SSH. >> >> Jan-Erik. > > What does reflection give you that PuTTY doesn't offer, which works > well for me. Running eXcursion on my laptop allows me tunnel back > to run, e.g. emacs > The same look-n-feel as I've had, well must be over 20 yrs now. The look-n-feel of PuTTY is "freeware"... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:21:58 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: VMSMail problem Message-ID: I stopped receiving mail middle of the night, at least so it appeared fr= om my Outlook POP client, which talks to MX as the smtp server. However, w= hen I check mail directly from a session logged in to the cluster I am infor= med that the mail folder does not exist. GUNN> mail MAIL> dir %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist So I troddle off to my mail dir and dir DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]/date=3Dmod/size MAIL.MAI;1 6210 7-AUG-2008 16:14:49.23 which is pretty big and the date keeps changeing indicating that it is likely receiving mail. How do I fix this? Any idea why the folder is so big, I regularly delet= e messages. Tom -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: VMSMail problem Message-ID: <18baafd3-ef10-484a-be9e-de24fc934a75@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com> On Aug 7, 4:21=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > I stopped receiving mail middle of the night, at least so it appeared fro= m > my Outlook POP client, which talks to MX as the smtp server. =A0However, = when > I check mail directly from a session logged in to the cluster I am inform= ed > that the mail folder does not exist. > > GUNN> mail > > MAIL> dir > %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist > > So I troddle off to my mail dir and > dir =A0DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]/date=3Dmod/size > MAIL.MAI;1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A06210 =A0 7-AUG-2008 16:14:49.23 > > which is pretty big and the date keeps changeing indicating that it is > likely receiving mail. > > How do I fix this? =A0Any idea why the folder is so big, I regularly dele= te > messages. Try doing a MAIL> DIR/FOLDER and see what it says. VMS Mail has this somewhat nasty habit of "removing" empty folders (unless you use the DECWindows DECMail application). I wouldn't be surprised if either (1) all your messages are in the NEWMAIL folder, or (2) your POP client deleted all your messages from VMS Mail. -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:08:04 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: VMSMail problem Message-ID: On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:34:07 -0700, wrote: > On Aug 7, 4:21 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: >> I stopped receiving mail middle of the night, at least so it appeared >> from >> my Outlook POP client, which talks to MX as the smtp server.  However, >> when >> I check mail directly from a session logged in to the cluster I am >> informed >> that the mail folder does not exist. >> >> GUNN> mail >> >> MAIL> dir >> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist >> >> So I troddle off to my mail dir and >> dir  DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]/date=mod/size >> MAIL.MAI;1              6210   7-AUG-2008 16:14:49.23 >> >> which is pretty big and the date keeps changeing indicating that it is >> likely receiving mail. >> >> How do I fix this?  Any idea why the folder is so big, I regularly >> delete >> messages. > > > Try doing a MAIL> DIR/FOLDER and see what > it says. VMS Mail has this somewhat nasty habit > of "removing" empty folders (unless you use the > DECWindows DECMail application). I wouldn't > be surprised if either (1) all your messages are > in the NEWMAIL folder, or (2) your POP client > deleted all your messages from VMS Mail. > > -Ken > MAIL> dir/folder %MAIL-W-FILEMPTY, file DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]MAIL.MAI has no folders MAIL> exit GUNN> dir DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]/date=mod/size Directory DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL] MAIL$9AA26FE2000500A6.MAI;1 2604 7-JUL-2007 16:29:21.79 MAIL.MAI;1 6210 7-AUG-2008 17:06:01.21 -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:33:43 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: VMSMail problem Message-ID: <00A7DC3C.3399F488@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >I stopped receiving mail middle of the night, at least so it appeared fr= >om >my Outlook POP client, which talks to MX as the smtp server. However, w= >hen >I check mail directly from a session logged in to the cluster I am infor= >med >that the mail folder does not exist. > >GUNN> mail > >MAIL> dir >%MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist Do MAIL> DIR/FOLDER to see what folders _do_ exist. In VMS MAIL, newly delivered messages go into the NEWMAIL folder; that's probably where your POP client is pulling them from. If you didn't get any incoming mail, you might not have anything in the NEWMAIL folder (depending on whether you have the POP thing configured to leave mail on server or not.) After you've read a message in VMS MAIL, the message is automatically moved to the MAIL folder. If you never read messages in VMS MAIL and your POP client downloads the messages and doesn't leave them on the server, it's perfectly reasonable for you not to have either a NEWMAIL or MAIL folder (because in VMS mail, folders don't exist if they're empty). > >So I troddle off to my mail dir and >dir DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]/date=3Dmod/size >MAIL.MAI;1 6210 7-AUG-2008 16:14:49.23 > >which is pretty big and the date keeps changeing indicating that it is >likely receiving mail. > >How do I fix this? Any idea why the folder is so big, I regularly delet= >e >messages. See MAIL> HELP COMPRESS (Although you might want to do a MAIL> PURGE/RECLAIM before you do the compress, if you've got stuff in your WASTEBASKET folder.) -- Alan > >-- = > >PL/I for OpenVMS >www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:14:45 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: VMSMail problem Message-ID: On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:33:43 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computin= g = wrote: > In article , "Tom Linde= n" = > writes: >> I stopped receiving mail middle of the night, at least so it appeared= = >> fr=3D >> om >> my Outlook POP client, which talks to MX as the smtp server. However= , = >> w=3D >> hen >> I check mail directly from a session logged in to the cluster I am = >> infor=3D >> med >> that the mail folder does not exist. >> >> GUNN> mail >> >> MAIL> dir >> %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist > > Do > > MAIL> DIR/FOLDER > > to see what folders _do_ exist. > > In VMS MAIL, newly delivered messages go into the NEWMAIL folder; that= 's > probably where your POP client is pulling them from. If you didn't > get any incoming mail, you might not have anything in the NEWMAIL fold= er > (depending on whether you have the POP thing configured to leave mail = on = > server > or not.) > > After you've read a message in VMS MAIL, the message is automatically = = > moved > to the MAIL folder. > > If you never read messages in VMS MAIL and your POP client downloads t= he > messages and doesn't leave them on the server, it's perfectly reasonab= le > for you not to have either a NEWMAIL or MAIL folder (because in VMS ma= il, > folders don't exist if they're empty). > > >> >> So I troddle off to my mail dir and >> dir DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.MAIL]/date=3D3Dmod/size >> MAIL.MAI;1 6210 7-AUG-2008 16:14:49.23 >> >> which is pretty big and the date keeps changeing indicating that it i= s >> likely receiving mail. >> >> How do I fix this? Any idea why the folder is so big, I regularly = >> delet=3D >> e >> messages. > > See > > MAIL> HELP COMPRESS > > Size was not the issue, that was a secondary problem. I simply cant can= 't = get access to any folders, despite the fact that they are apparently storing new mail,= = as judge byt the fact that the date and size keep increasing > > > (Although you might want to do a MAIL> PURGE/RECLAIM before you do the= > compress, if you've got stuff in your WASTEBASKET folder.) > > -- Alan >> >> -- =3D >> >> PL/I for OpenVMS >> www.kednos.com -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:13:41 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMSMail problem Message-ID: <489bac85$0$1826$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Tom Linden wrote: > MAIL> dir > %MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder MAIL does not exist do a MAIL> SHOW ALL This will tell you where mail thinks your MAIL.MAI file should be. If your mail profile points to the right file, you may wish to ANA/RMS your MAIL.MAI you can also try: PIPE show dev/files/nosys | search sys$input MAIL.MAI This should tell you if your mail file is in use by some application which may be locking it for some reason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:18:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMSMail problem Message-ID: <489bad95$0$1826$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Have you tried to be a REAL geek and send yourself an email ? If you use command line MAIL to send a message to yourself, you might see some error message when MAIL tries to deliver to your mailbox. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.430 ************************