INFO-VAX Thu, 11 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 498 Contents: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files RE: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Re: How do I diagnose a server that crashes every night? Re: How do I diagnose a server that crashes every night? Re: How do I diagnose a server that crashes every night? Re: huge USB disks and VMS Re: Intermittent RWSCS state Re: Intermittent RWSCS state Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: Pipe search of command procedure log file containing pipe search command. co Re: Pipe search of command procedure log file containing pipe search command. co Re: Pipe search of command procedure log file containing pipe search command. co Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: SSH and SFTP configuration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:07:04 +0200 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: James J. O'Shea schrieb: > I am not able to read Monitor files after unzipping them: >=20 > $ MON/NODISPLAY SYSTEM/ALL/SUM=3DX.SUM/INPUT=3DMONITOR-DATA-NONPRIME-20= 08-08-12.DAT > %MONITOR-E-CLASMISS, requested class record missing from /INPUT file >=20 > I've tried changing the attributes and using FDL files but I'm not abl= e to find the right combination. > The original file has, RFM:Var, MRS:32765, LRL:32760.=20 >=20 > After zipping, then unzipping, the file has, RFM:STMLF, MRS:0, LRL:0 >=20 > I'm running OpenVMS 8.3 on an ES45; Info-Zip Zip v2.3, Info-Zip Unzip = v5.52. >=20 > Has anyone run into this problem? >=20 You need the special VMS option to tell zip to preserve VMS file attribut= es: zip -"V" archive filespec I hope You didn=B4t delete the original files, otherwise it will be hard = to impossible to restore them. --=20 Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "James J. O'Shea" Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: <382559.28215.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Joseph Huber wrote: > From: Joseph Huber > Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:07 PM > James J. O'Shea schrieb: > > I am not able to read Monitor files after unzipping > them: > >=20 > > $ MON/NODISPLAY > SYSTEM/ALL/SUM=3DX.SUM/INPUT=3DMONITOR-DATA-NONPRIME-2008-08-12.DAT > > %MONITOR-E-CLASMISS, requested class record missing > from /INPUT file > >=20 > > I've tried changing the attributes and using FDL > files but I'm not able to find the right combination. >=20 > > The original file has, RFM:Var, MRS:32765, LRL:32760.=20 > >=20 > > After zipping, then unzipping, the file has, > RFM:STMLF, MRS:0, LRL:0 > >=20 > > I'm running OpenVMS 8.3 on an ES45; Info-Zip Zip > v2.3, Info-Zip Unzip v5.52. > >=20 > > Has anyone run into this problem? > >=20 >=20 >=20 > You need the special VMS option to tell zip to preserve VMS > file attributes: > zip -"V" archive filespec > I hope You didn=B4t delete the original files, otherwise it > will be hard=20 > to impossible to restore them. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de I used -V without the quotes - oops. Am I out of luck? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:50:38 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: <08091013503859_20202860@antinode.info> From: "James J. O'Shea" > I am not able to read Monitor files after unzipping them: > [...] > I'm running OpenVMS 8.3 on an ES45; Info-Zip Zip v2.3, Info-Zip Unzip v5.52. Zip 3.0 is the current releaded version, and Zip 2.32 is the latest in the 2.x family, both of which work better than plain 2.3. From: Joseph Huber > You need the special VMS option to tell zip to preserve VMS file attribut= > es: > zip -"V" archive filespec Yup. And with SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE = EXTENDED, you can even omit the quotation marks (at least with Zip 2.32 and up). Preserving a file's RMS attributes is much easier than restoring them after they've been lost. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:04:28 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: <08091014042833_20202860@antinode.info> From: "James J. O'Shea" > I used -V without the quotes - oops. Am I out of luck? Pretty much, yes, unless, perhaps, you get lucky with RMS attribute restoration. Frequent/alert Zip users will notice the funny-looking "-v" output when "-V" gets interpreted the wrong way (due to lack or quotation and/or /PARSE_STYLE = TRADITIONAL), but this would not be the first time that anyone made this mistake. I normally don't use it, but the VMS CLI variant of Zip avoids the problem, with /VERBOSE and VMS being harder to mix up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 2008 15:38:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: In article <456249.34286.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, "James J. O'Shea" writes: > I am not able to read Monitor files after unzipping them: > > $ MON/NODISPLAY SYSTEM/ALL/SUM=X.SUM/INPUT=MONITOR-DATA-NONPRIME-2008-08-12.DAT > %MONITOR-E-CLASMISS, requested class record missing from /INPUT file > > I've tried changing the attributes and using FDL files but I'm not able to find the right combination. > > > The original file has, RFM:Var, MRS:32765, LRL:32760. > > After zipping, then unzipping, the file has, RFM:STMLF, MRS:0, LRL:0 > > I'm running OpenVMS 8.3 on an ES45; Info-Zip Zip v2.3, Info-Zip Unzip v5.52. > > Has anyone run into this problem? The best thing to do, of course, would have been tomake the ZIP on VMS with the -V option. Most likely when made without the -V option ZIP would have converted VAR files to STMLF. You best bet is to take the original unzipped file without any changes to it, and try using CONVERT to put the record format back. Do not use set file. This is not guarranteed to work because some of the original data bytes might look like linefeeds. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:39:24 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: James J. O'Shea wrote: > I am not able to read Monitor files after unzipping them: > > $ MON/NODISPLAY SYSTEM/ALL/SUM=X.SUM/INPUT=MONITOR-DATA-NONPRIME-2008-08-12.DAT > %MONITOR-E-CLASMISS, requested class record missing from /INPUT file > > I've tried changing the attributes and using FDL files but I'm not able to find the right combination. > > > The original file has, RFM:Var, MRS:32765, LRL:32760. > > After zipping, then unzipping, the file has, RFM:STMLF, MRS:0, LRL:0 > > I'm running OpenVMS 8.3 on an ES45; Info-Zip Zip v2.3, Info-Zip Unzip v5.52. > > Has anyone run into this problem? > > > Thanks, > Jim O'Shea > Chicago, IL > > > ISTR that at least one version of ZIP for VMS offers a "-V" switch that preserves RMS file attributes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:23:24 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Can't read unzipped Monitor files Message-ID: <48C864FC.C3346830@spam.comcast.net> "James J. O'Shea" wrote: > > I used -V without the quotes - oops. Am I out of luck? Part of the reason why I recommend using the _CLI versions of the executables - they accept either DCL format (/VMS = -"V") or UN*X format. ZIP_CLI and UNZIP_CLI - RENAME them to exclude the _CLI suffix in the name, for ease of use, then I include them in my hardware architecture specific directory in my DCL$PATH. YMMV... D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:45:35 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Message-ID: <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED5FAA491@GVW1158EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: DaveG [mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:25 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? > > On Sep 8, 6:56 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > In article <0ea19636-ef44-4d9f-bc02- > c10375be6...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, AEF > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sep 8, 6:13 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig-- > - > > >remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > >> In article > > >> 34a5dfa9c...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > >> yyyc186 writes: > > >> > LONDON (Reuters) - The London Stock Exchange (LSE:LSE.L - News) > > >> > suffered its worst systems failure in eight years on Monday, > forcing > > >> > the world's third largest share market to suspend trading for > about > > >> > seven hours and infuriating its users. > > > > >> They probably lost more revenue due to that outage than the move > from > > >> VMS to Windows "saved" them. It's not just immediate revenue > which was > > >> lost, but people remembering this when deciding to do business > with the > > >> LSE or one of their competitors who run VMS. (They might not know > they > > >> run VMS, but they will know if there were any comparable outages > in the > > >> last few years.) > > > > >> > Weren't there a whole bunch of adds a while back about how > London when > > >> > with Windows and that worthless Oracle product for their new > trading > > >> > engine? > > > > >> Indeed. I think it looked scary from the inside. > > > > >What's an "add"? Did you mean "advertisements"? That would be "ad", > > >not "add". > > > > He used M$ spell checker! ;) > > > > -- > > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional > protection > > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may > be. (NJSC) > > > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet > article outside > > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this > copyright > > notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > My opinion on this - won't matter much. Windows continues to make > progress and flourish, warts and all, with Linux (free is good) in > close pursuit. > > Reminds me of a quote from P.T. Barnum: "I don't care what they say > about me, as long as they spell my name right." Well... this is not always the case when you have a high profile outage. Here is good example: (Windows *to* OpenVMS migration testimonial) http://www.vista-control.com/itanium_success.htm "Los Alamos, February 15th. 2007 After implementing mission-critical systems on Windows-based computers for many years, a customer experienced a virus in one of these systems that shut down production for two days while the infected systems were diagnosed, restored and tested. The impact was that plant production was severely impacted at no small cost. Despite internal opposition because of the established standard, Vsystem on HP Itanium servers running OpenVMS was chosen for the next system to be replaced. Very recently, this system was commissioned with no errors found and with excellent performance - one of the smoothest installations known. The heightened scrutiny of this project has made this significant success especially visible." [see rest of url] Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Message-ID: On Sep 10, 1:45=A0pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DaveG [mailto:david.gudew...@abbott.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:25 AM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? > > > On Sep 8, 6:56 pm, VAXman- =A0@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > In article <0ea19636-ef44-4d9f-bc02- > > c10375be6...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, AEF > > writes: > > > > >On Sep 8, 6:13 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig-- > > - > > > >remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > > >> In article > > > >> > 34a5dfa9c...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > > > >> yyyc186 writes: > > > >> > LONDON (Reuters) - The London Stock Exchange (LSE:LSE.L - News) > > > >> > suffered its worst systems failure in eight years on Monday, > > forcing > > > >> > the world's third largest share market to suspend trading for > > about > > > >> > seven hours and infuriating its users. > > > > >> They probably lost more revenue due to that outage than the move > > from > > > >> VMS to Windows "saved" them. =A0It's not just immediate revenue > > which was > > > >> lost, but people remembering this when deciding to do business > > with the > > > >> LSE or one of their competitors who run VMS. =A0(They might not kn= ow > > they > > > >> run VMS, but they will know if there were any comparable outages > > in the > > > >> last few years.) > > > > >> > Weren't there a whole bunch of adds a while back about how > > London when > > > >> > with Windows and that worthless Oracle product for their new > > trading > > > >> > engine? > > > > >> Indeed. =A0I think it looked scary from the inside. > > > > >What's an "add"? Did you mean "advertisements"? That would be "ad", > > > >not "add". > > > > He used M$ spell checker! ;) > > > > -- > > > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional > > protection > > > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may > > be. (NJSC) > > > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet > > article outside > > > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this > > copyright > > > notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > My opinion on this - won't matter much. =A0Windows continues to make > > progress and flourish, warts and all, with Linux (free is good) in > > close pursuit. > > > Reminds me of a quote from P.T. Barnum: "I don't care what they say > > about me, as long as they spell my name right." > > Well... this is not always the case when you have a high profile > outage. > > Here is good example: (Windows *to* OpenVMS migration testimonial)http://= www.vista-control.com/itanium_success.htm > > "Los Alamos, February 15th. 2007 After implementing mission-critical > systems on Windows-based computers for many years, a customer experienced > a virus in one of these systems that shut down production for two days > while the infected systems were diagnosed, restored and tested. The > impact was that plant production was severely impacted at no small cost. > > Despite internal opposition because of the established standard, Vsystem > on HP Itanium servers running OpenVMS was chosen for the next system to > be replaced. > > Very recently, this system was commissioned with no errors found and > with excellent performance - one of the smoothest installations known. > The heightened scrutiny of this project has made this significant > success especially visible." > > [see rest of url] > > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-254-8911 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - OK that's one, and that's good. But I'd bet for every "one" there are probably hundreds of Windows /Linux systems being sold. That's the reality that I see. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:43:56 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Message-ID: DaveG wrote: > On Sep 10, 1:45 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DaveG [mailto:david.gudew...@abbott.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:25 AM >>> To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com >>> Subject: Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? >>> On Sep 8, 6:56 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>> In article <0ea19636-ef44-4d9f-bc02- >>> c10375be6...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, AEF >>> writes: >>>>> On Sep 8, 6:13 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig-- >>> - >>>>> remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: >>>>>> In article >>>>>> >> 34a5dfa9c...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>> yyyc186 writes: >>>>>>> LONDON (Reuters) - The London Stock Exchange (LSE:LSE.L - News) >>>>>>> suffered its worst systems failure in eight years on Monday, >>> forcing >>>>>>> the world's third largest share market to suspend trading for >>> about >>>>>>> seven hours and infuriating its users. >>>>>> They probably lost more revenue due to that outage than the move >>> from >>>>>> VMS to Windows "saved" them. It's not just immediate revenue >>> which was >>>>>> lost, but people remembering this when deciding to do business >>> with the >>>>>> LSE or one of their competitors who run VMS. (They might not know >>> they >>>>>> run VMS, but they will know if there were any comparable outages >>> in the >>>>>> last few years.) >>>>>>> Weren't there a whole bunch of adds a while back about how >>> London when >>>>>>> with Windows and that worthless Oracle product for their new >>> trading >>>>>>> engine? >>>>>> Indeed. I think it looked scary from the inside. >>>>> What's an "add"? Did you mean "advertisements"? That would be "ad", >>>>> not "add". >>>> He used M$ spell checker! ;) >>>> -- >>>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker >>> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>>> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional >>> protection >>>> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may >>> be. (NJSC) >>>> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet >>> article outside >>>> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this >>> copyright >>>> notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> My opinion on this - won't matter much. Windows continues to make >>> progress and flourish, warts and all, with Linux (free is good) in >>> close pursuit. >>> Reminds me of a quote from P.T. Barnum: "I don't care what they say >>> about me, as long as they spell my name right." >> Well... this is not always the case when you have a high profile >> outage. >> >> Here is good example: (Windows *to* OpenVMS migration testimonial)http://www.vista-control.com/itanium_success.htm >> >> "Los Alamos, February 15th. 2007 After implementing mission-critical >> systems on Windows-based computers for many years, a customer experienced >> a virus in one of these systems that shut down production for two days >> while the infected systems were diagnosed, restored and tested. The >> impact was that plant production was severely impacted at no small cost. >> >> Despite internal opposition because of the established standard, Vsystem >> on HP Itanium servers running OpenVMS was chosen for the next system to >> be replaced. >> >> Very recently, this system was commissioned with no errors found and >> with excellent performance - one of the smoothest installations known. >> The heightened scrutiny of this project has made this significant >> success especially visible." >> >> [see rest of url] >> >> Regards >> >> Kerry Main >> Senior Consultant >> HP Services Canada >> Voice: 613-254-8911 >> Fax: 613-591-4477 >> kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >> (remove the DOT's and AT) >> >> OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > OK that's one, and that's good. But I'd bet for every "one" there are > probably hundreds of Windows /Linux systems being sold. That's the > reality that I see. Hundreds? Make that thousands or even tens of thousands. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:43:17 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Did Windows just cry "Uncle"? Message-ID: <03ec41f6-2344-4e3a-be89-3e9db48d75b5@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> You guys didn't even bother digging up the USS Yorktown with your research. The one which got Microsoft banned from all navy projects and forced Bill Gates to buy have a submarine manufacturer to try and get his foot back in the door. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:12:57 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: How do I diagnose a server that crashes every night? Message-ID: <48c81caa$0$12385$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Volker Halle wrote: > If you see MACHINECHK crashes, think of hardware problems first. When in kernel mode, is there a wide variety of possible crash reasons, or does that narrow down to machinechk ? For instance, if a driver were to divide by 0, or try to execute an instruction whose opcode doesn't exist, would it be a different crash reason ? And if the crashes happen ONLY during the night, then it would seem that some external factors might be triggering this. Question to the OP: Does that machine get a yearly visit to be maintained, cleaned to remove the dust bunnies etc ? Or has it been running for years without anyone giving it any hardware maintenance ? As other have pointed out before, if you could compare the crash logs from different nights to see if it crashes at the same location/reason every night, this might be some clue. Is it possible that the data generating device is shutdown every night for a few minutes and this greatly confuses your VMS application because it wasn't setup to handle such events ? Does the device use TCP or UDP or serial line communications ? ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 2008 15:31:28 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: How do I diagnose a server that crashes every night? Message-ID: In article <48c81caa$0$12385$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > When in kernel mode, is there a wide variety of possible crash reasons, > or does that narrow down to machinechk ? There is a very wide variety crash reasons available in kernel mode, and very few elsewhere. Or were you asking the OP what he's actually seen? > For instance, if a driver were to divide by 0, or try to execute an > instruction whose opcode doesn't exist, would it be a different crash > reason ? Divide by 0 exception is not a machine check, so as a good example, it would lead to some other bugcheck. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:23:26 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: How do I diagnose a server that crashes every night? Message-ID: In article <3360773d-860d-4145-8509-21752f00e75a@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, DaveG wrote: > On Sep 10, 7:52 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: > > In article > > <6df72036-9e6f-4a79-96cf-a841020f7...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > StraightEight writes: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I have very little VMS experience but we have inherited a nice shiny > > > new alphaserver 250 to support (ok its not very shiny or new!) which > > > is located in the middle of the sea. > > > >    I would think _very_ seriously about contracting a consultant who > >    knows VMS. > > With the OP mentioning that the system was located out to sea > somewhere, I wonder what might be happening to power and/or other > environmental stuff during non-daylight hours? A few thoughts on environmental and power stuff. I've seen instances where folks have switched off the air conditioning when working in a computer room (because they didn't like the noise) and cleaners borrowing an occupied power socket to plug their equipment in. There's also the possibility of hefty electrical machinery being switched off then on, particularly at a work break or shift change. One amusing example was the new production line worker who hung his overalls over a bar code reader at his mid-morning and lunch breaks. It took some lateral thinking to diagnose that one! -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:07:00 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: huge USB disks and VMS Message-ID: <48C86124.3AB01AFD@spam.comcast.net> Len Whitwer wrote: > > On Sep 8, 11:46 am, bro...@cuebid.ovms.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) > wrote: > > Howard S Shubs writes: > > > > > In article , > > > bro...@cuebid.ovms.usa.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote: > > > > >> This will theoretically allow volumes up to 2TB in size. > > > > > I'd be surprised if they stop there. Such disks may well be out by then. > > > > The ~2TB limit is not particularly arbitrary -- that's the max allowed within > > the contraints of an unsigned 32-bit longword. > > > > I'm pretty sure that there are no plans to develop a new file > > system whose volumes can exceed 2TB. Well, I've no personal aversion to using mirrorsets or shadowsets as volumeset members, as long as I don't have to support Oracle on such storage. Oracle side-steps too much of both RMS and ODS to allow that, and it's too primitive stone-age stuff for such things. Then again, 450 tablespaces with ten or twenty tablespace files each where each file fills a 2TB volume sure allows for a whopper of database, even without volumeset support! Petabyte DBs are still possible - advisable being another question entirely, of course. > We have run 300GB disks straight off a SCSI controller on Alpha and > Itanium systems > with no problem. If you want one let me know as we sell them all the > time. Sure! ...as long as it's single-ended narrow SCSI-II with a 50-pin connector, will run in a SBB canister without overheating or overloading a 180 watt power supply and not cost more than a day's (gross) pay... D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:57:28 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Intermittent RWSCS state Message-ID: norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > Marty Kuhrt wrote on 09/09/2008 12:38:20 PM: > > > Richard Brodie wrote: > > > wrote in message news:OF1D8E67E9. > > 7DD1DEB5-ON852574BF.00508FDB- > > >> Okay, thanks so now we know what they are, but not if things are > > good or bad. > > > > > > I don't think the CR_WAITS in the VMS$VAXcluster sysap are good news. > > > That's sort of locky rather than bulk traffic. LOCKDIRWT too high > on an old > > > VAX? Beyond that I would grab one of Keith Parris' presentations on > cluster/ > > > lock manager performance. > > > > > > > > > > I ran into something similar once that was triggered by my cat slightly > > pulling the cat-5 cable (cats and cat5 don't mix). Not so much that the > > network connection was completely lost, but this VAX, in a cluster of > > Alphas, was joining and leaving the cluster as fast as it could. > > Everybody else in the cluster was stalling waiting for the transition to > > finish, which would restart immediately. When I finally got logged into > > a machine console via a VT and did a reply/enable to see OPCOM stuff, I > > saw the endless stream of joining/leaving messages from the culprit > > VAX. Pulled the network cable, reseated it, and all was well when the > > storm subsided. > > > > I've also seen something like this as well when a hub/switch went "kinda > > bad". > > > > Since the VAX in OP's question is probably only talking to the cluster > > via its 10M network cable, it might be as simple as a that. > > No such luck. Talking on FDDI for SCS traffic. 10MB network for other. Are you certain? IIRC, the default cluster configuration is to enable all SCS-capable circuits, and normally all the traffic would end up on the fastest one (FDDI), but if there was a momentary failure or excessive congestion on the FDDI, it might have failed over to the ethernet, thus hitting the VAX's 10Mb bottleneck, and then never failed back. I think the show cluster circuit counters should reveal if this has happened. (I think the 2nd example shows circuit counters by circuit, but not circuit names, so I can't tell which is which, though possibly a cluster expert could.) There is a way to force it to use *only* the FDDI, and I think there's a way to force to fail back to FDDI if for some reason it has failed over to the Ethernet. HTH. > > > Bad card, > > bad cable, bad hub/switch, etc. Babble, babble, babble, and the next > > thing you know you're knee deep in RWSCS. > > > > Since this is a home cluster I use for porting and development work, I > > don't normally have OPCOM enabled, or do much logging. VMS machines > > just run right, right? ;^) -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:26:41 -0400 From: "Jilly" Subject: Re: Intermittent RWSCS state Message-ID: <48c857cf$0$21297$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com> "John Santos" wrote in message news:shYxk.16$ia.0@nwrddc02.gnilink.net... > There is a way to force it to use *only* the FDDI, and I think there's > a way to force to fail back to FDDI if for some reason it has failed > over to the Ethernet. > -- > John Santos > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 Look for SYS$EXAMPLES:LAVC$STOP_BUS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:54:25 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Message-ID: <48C85E31.3FA7E731@spam.comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > In article <48C49015.746DCC8A@spam.comcast.net>, > David J Dachtera writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> [snip] > >> So, are you > >> looking for AIX software or Windows software. Ne'r the twain shall meet. :-) > > > > I wouldn't say that, really. Some WhineBloze app.'s do choke on > > Stream-LF files (example: NotePad vs. WordPad), but for simply moving > > byte streams around and issuing commands via SSH, it seems logical > > enough. > > Does Windows even have SSH? "Natively", no - I don't think so. It's too new for XP and too far outside of M$'s security paradigm (which is only worth a pair of dimes, anyway). That said, Reflection Suite V13 includes SSL support for SSH, SFTP and more. > I know it is in Cygwin, but then, that's > not really Windows, is it? No, not really ;-) D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 2008 15:28:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: In article <5LmdnRAOyepDQVrVnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Well, the world has clearly survived. Unless, of course, I'm > hallucinating all this! No, but the LHC we're inside had better be paying it's bills. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <972d40fb-5298-4b3e-a2a0-782149c45667@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Sep 10, 9:40=A0am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > The Large Hadron Collider will first be activated this morning at 09:00 > > Central European Time (GMT + 2). > > > It is expected that a new universe will be created inside the LHC > > (lasting an eternity for the people in it, but mere millionth of a > > second for us) and it is possible that it will also create a black hole > > that will suck up the earth (like the vaccuum cleaner that sucks =A0the > > pink panther and then sucks itself out of existance) > > > It is unclear what effect the LHC experiment may have on the connection > > between my universe and the one where most of comp.os.vms lives in. > > > BBC said that they won't have it at full power today and it will take a > > year before they risk running at at full power. > > >www.cern.chis the official website. As in any modern event, they are to > > have a live webcast. It is not clear what's we'll see in it. It is not > > clear if we will actually hear a "big bang". > > > Good luck to all those who worked on that project, and lets hope that > > they doN't rely on Windows to run it. And remember that, as in any > > science fiction movie, all the lights in the world will dim when they > > turn the power on to the collider :-) :-) :-) :-) > > Well, the world has clearly survived. =A0Unless, of course, I'm > hallucinating all this! No, man. We're all just one guy lying on a green shag carpet listening to Iron Butterfly and it's 1968... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: On Sep 10, 12:52 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article <48c79086$0$12394$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > > writes: > > The universe still exists today because all they are doing is getting a > > few particles to move in one direction. > > I didn't reply at first since it was off-topic, but since so many others > have.... > > There are a few folks who really think the world is coming to an end, > since the LHC might produce black holes. It might, but they won't grow > by sucking in the Earth, since they will quickly decay via Hawking > radiation (the smaller the black hole, the FASTER it decays). The best > demonstration to realise that there is no danger is to understand that > the LHC wasn't built to produce something which has never existed (on > Earth) before---although this is often claimed by the media---, but > rather to study it in detail. Cosmic rays regularly reach energies well > in excess of anything the LHC is capable of. Some elementary particles > were first detected by studying the aftermath of the collisions of > cosmic rays with the atmosphere. (Q: Why not use cosmic rays instead of > artificial collisions for the current experiments? A: Because these > dectectors which weigh as much as the Eiffel tower won't fit in a > hot-air balloon.) I don't see a smiley, so just in case :-) Cosmic rays are pot luck. With an accelerator you make what you want. You also get a lot more volume of reactions. And you can't bang protons together by watching cosmic rays. End of the world? I'll bet anyone, any amount, that it won't be! ;-) I was right about the fifth force! AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:46:01 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <8r-dnd7bFa6gwVXVnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> "Joseph Huber" wrote in message news:ga7ulm$1110$1@gwdu112.gwdg.de... > Michael Kraemer wrote: >> JF Mezei schrieb: >> >>> ... and lets hope that >>> they doN't rely on Windows to run it. >> >> I wouldn't hold my breath. >> >> > > Well yes, they do, and we do: > see my snapshot of a small part of our liquid argon calorimeter detector > control system > http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/atlas_lar_ready_for_beam.jpg > waiting for beam ... > > -- > > Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de > That's either Unix or Linux with a Korn shell. Not M$-Windows. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:43:38 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <48c8864d$0$12382$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> AEF wrote: > End of the world? I'll bet anyone, any amount, that it won't be! ;-) This is a very unfair bet since in the event that you are wrong, you will not exist and will therefore not be able to pay the "any amount" to the other party. Note that there is good reason for the ring being burried 100m underground. Should magnets fail and a single particle at full speed hit the wall, the collision would be similar to a runaway freight train hitting a wall at 150km/h. (or so I read). Makes one wonder if they have a big UPS to keep the magnets going should there be a power failure :-) BTW, is there some simple explanation of how they take gaseous H2 from a bottle and produce protons in some holding field prior to being accelerated in that ring ? BTW, heard an intersting concept in an interview. The theory is that the big bang generated the particle physics equivalent to stem cells: a generic mass. This was later converted (via other collisions or other mechanism) into a variety of atoms which make up the periodic table of elements. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Pipe search of command procedure log file containing pipe search command. co Message-ID: <6d05bb10-dc2c-4497-a6ed-067abbd101d7@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Sep 10, 9:40=A0am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Here is a code fragment designed to search the running command procedure > to > see if any of the converts in the log got duplicate error messages. CONVERT-I-DUP is an informational and NOT reflected in the $STATUS, so that's a non-starter. CONVERT-I-DUP is really an annoying obnoxious implementation. I should have fixed it while I was in the area, but did not realize how bad it was. A line per record and no stopping the fun! :-( Commands I used for testing: To generate dups: $ convert/stat/fdl=3D"fi;or in;key 0; seg0_l 2"/exc=3Dlogin.dup login.com login.idx To not generate dups: $ convert/stat/fdl=3D"fi;or in;key 0; seg0_l 2"/exc=3Dlogin.dup login.idx login.idx Two suggestions: 1) always convert with /STAT (which you do) AND also / EXCEPTION=3D'exection_file' ... Now you can just use something like $ IF F$FILE(exception_file, "EOF") .NE. 0 $ THEN $ MAIL... $ ELSE $ DELETE 'F$SEARCH(exception_file) ! Always created, so clean up last one $ ENDIF If that EOF returns non-zero then it is bad. You probably do not care wether the badness was duplicates or something else right? 2) If you are going to spawn anyway, consider a perl wrapper to eat those annoying duplicate lines. Here is an initial test version. Of course you probably want to pass is the command and/or read from a file. ---- convert_wrapper.pl ----- use strict; use warnings; my $dups =3D 0; open(STDERR, '>login.err'); # or send to Holland? (NL:) my $convert_command =3D q(convert/stat/fdl=3D"fi;or in;key 0; seg0_l 2") . q(/exc=3Dlogin.dup login.com login.idx); for (qx($convert_command)) { print unless /^%CONVERT-I-DUP/ and $dups++; } print "$dups duplicate keys reported\n" if $dups; ----------------------- fwiw, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Pipe search of command procedure log file containing pipe search command. co Message-ID: <47ed8b04-ed46-4cf4-83cc-14ee58d5b78c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Sep 10, 10:10=A0pm, Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > CONVERT-I-DUP is an informational and NOT reflected in the $STATUS, so > that's a non-starter. You're right, of course. I wasn't paying attention. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Pipe search of command procedure log file containing pipe search command. co Message-ID: On Sep 10, 11:44=A0am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Nothing yet explains why it works sometimes and fails other times. Perhaps because the log file isn't flushed completely to disk? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:13:33 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <48C862AD.753B8E5@spam.comcast.net> Gremlin wrote: > > Again than you for your thoughts. > > As you apparently know whether I really appreciate your inputs and > effort or not, I won't need to make any further comment. > [snip] Personally, I make allowances for Steve. Genius and eccentricity often go hand-in-hand. You might also want to read up on Asperger's Syndrome. Folks like us are indeed quite socially challenged. Some of us learn to adapt. Some do not consider the reward worthy of the effort. Google this group for stories about Carl Lydick. Classic example. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:58:05 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: SSH and SFTP configuration Message-ID: <48C85F0D.6CED70C4@spam.comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > In article , > "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > > > Sacrificing a virgin is efficacious but the difficulties in finding one > > usually rule this option out! > > Try most Linux User Group meetings. Oh wait, you meant female virgins. :-) OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Cold, Bill! Really cold! Getting frostbite off the keyboard trying to type this... Entirely correct, of course! ;-) D.J.D. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.498 ************************