INFO-VAX Sat, 13 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 503 Contents: Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Re: Loose Cannon-dian Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Tape Lib Org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Sep 2008 13:27:48 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Message-ID: <6j1tekF123akU2@mid.individual.net> In article <0c92af3d-31d2-4b97-bfa6-9eac5e170f02@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, "winston19842005@yahoo.com" writes: > http://tinyurl.com/3ga2ao > > I already added a comment saying I hope they will market VMS to the > desktop. Anyone else here care to add a comment? My boss mentioned the article to me and I said, "They already have another OS, VMS". I was going to mention it here, but I see others have beat me to it. Of course, what does it say about VMS when HP goes out after major publicity in the trade rags for an OS they don't have yet while still refusing to even mention the one they already have. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:23:49 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Message-ID: <9WQyk.2299$U5.4881@newsb.telia.net> > I already added a comment saying I hope they will > market VMS to the desktop. Why ? There are other OS'es that's far better for the desktop. I see no reason today why anyone would use VMS on his/her desktop, apart from some die-hards and hobbyists. For a business standpoint, VMS must be one of the worst choises for the desktop today. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:27:54 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Message-ID: In article <9WQyk.2299$U5.4881@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > > I already added a comment saying I hope they will > > market VMS to the desktop. > >Why ? >There are other OS'es that's far better for the desktop. >I see no reason today why anyone would use VMS on >his/her desktop, apart from some die-hards and hobbyists. > It depends what they mean by a new desktop OS. If they just mean their own version of Linux then this is pretty much a non-story. If they truly wanted a new desktop OS then using VMS as the base could be a good way forward. Give VMS an implementation of fork which has been promised for a while and porting most Unix/Linux applications would become a lot easier. Then just upgrade its X-windows system with KDE or Gnome. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >For a business standpoint, VMS must be one of the >worst choises for the desktop today. > >Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:30:33 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: HP to market a new OS for their PCs? Message-ID: On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:27:48 -0700, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article > <0c92af3d-31d2-4b97-bfa6-9eac5e170f02@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, > "winston19842005@yahoo.com" writes: >> http://tinyurl.com/3ga2ao >> >> I already added a comment saying I hope they will market VMS to the >> desktop. Anyone else here care to add a comment? > > My boss mentioned the article to me and I said, "They already have > another > OS, VMS". I was going to mention it here, but I see others have beat me > to it. Of course, what does it say about VMS when HP goes out after > major > publicity in the trade rags for an OS they don't have yet while still > refusing to even mention the one they already have. > > bill > Is this not just a reaction to Ubantu from Dell? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: sampsal@gmail.com Subject: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Message-ID: Is this possible? If so, any specific requirements on the drive? Sampsa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:47:28 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Message-ID: <00A7F927.57A7E430@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , sampsal@gmail.com writes: >Is this possible? If so, any specific requirements on the drive? Forrest Kenney demonstrated booting VMS off of a USB "flash drive" at a bootcamp 2 (3?) years ago. I would think that the only requirement be that it is large enough to hold VMS. Hopefully, Forrest will chime in here. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:29:45 -0400 From: "forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam" Subject: Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Message-ID: wrote in message news:c0c4fd85-0c84-4dbc-a7f0-a5177e52d4fb@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > Is this possible? If so, any specific requirements on the drive? > Yes it is possible and I have done it many times and even done a demo. I would not even both to try on a 2600, or any of the unsupported platforms. The rest of the systems you should have better luck. Having said that you should be up to date with your firmware. At the simplest level you need a FLASH drive large enough to hold you system disk. When I did the demo the first time I stated with a image back up of a system disk. Then pared it down to fit the size of the pen drive I had. Making sure that it was bootable as I stripped things off. When it fit the PEN drive I had I did an image back up to the pen drive. If you want to make a bootable installation kit you will need at least 3 GB. For a useable vms 4 or 5 GB is more the size you will need. While it works, it is not supported because we simply cannot test every possible device you can purchase. I have purcahsed two apparently identical USB pen drives from the same vendor. One worked, one tripped over a bug in the USB disk support. They changed an interface chip without changing the part number, packaging etc. Forrest ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Loose Cannon-dian Message-ID: <3b256157-73fb-4404-ad47-3dd6699bbcb4@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Sep 12, 1:38 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > > > This doesn't answer my question. > > The claim was that VMS is more secure than Unix, > > and I asked for certifications to prove that claim. > > But as far as I can see, VMS is just on par as > > far as obsolete criteria are concerned (C2/B1), > > and it is not certified at all for the more recent > > common criteria. > > The problem is the asumption behind your question. Just because > VMS is more secure than UNIX does not prove tham somone bothered > to write down a certification that covers the differences. > > Nor does the existence of a certification criteria make it the last > and complete word on security. Indeed. I'll ask the community again, what mechanisms do best practices on various Windozes and Unixes have to prevent a resource- exhaustion Denial of Service, one which on a properly managed VMS is easily preventable, but which (from what I've seen to date) is impossible to prevent on many other OSes. What do the Common Criteria have to say on the subject, or is a resource exhaustion DoS a figment of my imagination ? On a desktop OS you probably don't care about this, and on a desktop- derived server OS you probably can't care about this, but on a true multi-tasking multi-user OS serving one or more business-critical applications, it ought to be of more interest. If the underlying OS doesn't have the necessary real-time resource accounting capability built in, best for the industry if they keep quiet about it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: On Sep 10, 5:15 am, JF Mezei wrote: [...] > BTW: > > $ curl -Ihttp://www.cern.ch > HTTP/1.1 302 Found > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:11:05 GMT > Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 > X-Powered-By: ASP.NET > X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322 > Location:http://public.web.cern.ch/public/ > Cache-Control: private > Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 > Content-Length: 150 > > And I thought CERN was populated by intelligent and educated people who > would know not to use microsoft products. That's only their website. I seriously doubt the physicists themselves run it, let alone set it up. They probably hired the services of some company to do it, but I'm not sure. Besides, their talent is physics, not computer shopping. And how would people in this newsgroup, and any other IT people, no matter how "intelligent", be able to pick out equipment and set up the largest, most powerful accelerator facility ever built? (OK, that's a slightly bogus argument, but physicists don't give such matters a whole lot of thought. And keeping a website running is far less important than the accelerator itself.) As for running the accelerator itself and its detectors and what not -- I really don't know. I know that people in the physics group I was in at graduate school used to use VAX/VMS and recently (if not still) use Linux to analyze their data. Places where I did experiments used VAX/VMS to analyze data. What did they use to run the accelerators? Some places, like the lab at Ohio U., used their own contraptions. In fact, many of them may be like that. I think the actual equipment in use is more important. It's been a long time since I was involved with such stuff. So I wouldn't read too much into this. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:23:43 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Tape Lib Org Message-ID: I recently acquired a TL892 for doing backups. The setting was random, and I changed it to sequential for both drives. What is the best strategy here? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.503 ************************