INFO-VAX Thu, 18 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 512 Contents: Re: am I the only one hacking VMS on Itanium? Re: am I the only one hacking VMS on Itanium? How to retreive values from a file Re: How to retreive values from a file Re: How to retreive values from a file Re: How to retreive values from a file Re: How to retreive values from a file Re: How to retreive values from a file Re: Loose Cannon-dian Re: Loose Cannon-dian Re: OpenVMS Architect/Consultant Position Available Re: OpenVMS Architect/Consultant Position Available Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Running OpenVMS in a virtual machine on Itanium? Re: Running OpenVMS in a virtual machine on Itanium? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:10:20 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: am I the only one hacking VMS on Itanium? Message-ID: "John Reagan" writes: >"Michael Moroney" wrote in message >news:gar6gp$t53$1@pcls4.std.com... >> Yes. It's all that absolute addressing junk from a while ago. >Oh that, I have it mostly fixed but I need a little more testing before I >check it in. >For those of you keeping track at home, Macro (on both Alpha and I64) will >generate incorrect code for certain absolute address modes. >For instance, >cvtbl ^x104,r0 >should fetch the byte at absolute address ^x104. However, the ^x104 is >truncated to a byte and location 4 is fetched. Did you get all of them? It seems for a while HP was giving us a trial version that fixed one mode or one instruction or something every two weeks or so until my boss told them to fix all of them before bugging us. Our workaround was things like: cvtbl ^x104[r31],r0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:59:49 -0400 From: "John Reagan" Subject: Re: am I the only one hacking VMS on Itanium? Message-ID: "Michael Moroney" wrote in message news:garkms$e7i$3@pcls4.std.com... > Did you get all of them? It seems for a while HP was giving us a trial > version that fixed one mode or one instruction or something every two > weeks > or so until my boss told them to fix all of them before bugging us. > > Our workaround was things like: > cvtbl ^x104[r31],r0 I hope so. I fixed more after I sent that trial compiler to you. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:20:56 -0700 (PDT) From: ajmiester@gmail.com Subject: How to retreive values from a file Message-ID: <528c60ea-0166-4a22-8873-fb7d32511287@l43g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Hi I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir. Bro files.lis ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1 ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1 I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use that to check file sizes. Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished. Aj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:38:10 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: How to retreive values from a file Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0071579A852574C7_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ajmiester@gmail.com wrote on 09/17/2008 04:20:56 PM: > Hi > I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir. > > Bro files.lis > ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1 > > I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use > that to check file sizes. > > Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished. > > Aj Can't U just open the file, read a filename record, do whatever with that record (such as a DIRECTORY 'REC' command) and then read the next one until EOF? --=_alternative 0071579A852574C7_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
ajmiester@gmail.com wrote on 09/17/2008 04:20:56 PM:

> Hi
>   I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir.
>
> Bro files.lis
> ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1
> ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1
>
> I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use
> that to check file sizes.
>
> Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished.
>
> Aj
Can't U just open the file, read a filename record, do whatever with

that record (such as a DIRECTORY 'REC' command) and then read the
next one until EOF? --=_alternative 0071579A852574C7_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:11:57 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: How to retreive values from a file Message-ID: ajmiester@gmail.com wrote: > Hi > I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir. > > Bro files.lis > ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1 > > I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use > that to check file sizes. > > Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished. > > Aj Write a short DCL program. It's hard for anyone else to do that for you, since it unclear what "check file sizes" actualy is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:26:10 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: How to retreive values from a file Message-ID: ajmiester@gmail.com wrote: > Hi > I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir. > > Bro files.lis > ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1 > > I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use > that to check file sizes. > > Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished. > > Aj $ DIR /SIZE ALPHA:[Data]file*.ZIP;1 Of course this assumes that the files are actually named as in the example above. If they are not, a very simple script will do the job. Something like: $ OPEN TESTFILE: FILE.LIS $LOOP: $ READ TESTFILE: /END=EOF FNAME $ DIRE /SIZE=ALL 'FNAME' $ GOTO LOOP $EOF: $ EXIT You may add decorations and seaonings to taste! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:24:40 -0500 From: Bob Koehler Subject: Re: How to retreive values from a file Message-ID: ajmiester@gmail.com wrote: > Hi > I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir. > > Bro files.lis > ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1 > > I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use > that to check file sizes. > > Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished. Yes, but this is programming 101. The kind of thing kids learn in middle school. So why should we do it for you? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: How to retreive values from a file Message-ID: <792134aa-8163-4fdb-932e-ace0a888ddd0@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> On Sep 17, 5:20 pm, ajmies...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi > I have a files.lis file which includes a list of files in a dir. > > Bro files.lis > ALPHA:[Data]file1.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file2.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file3.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file4.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file5.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file6.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file7.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file8.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file9.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file10.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file11.ZIP;1 > ALPHA:[Data]file12.ZIP;1 > > I am looking for a script to extract file*.zip from File.lis and use > that to check file sizes. > > Does any one have recommendations on how that can be accomplished. > > Aj What is "Bro files.lis"? Bro? Shouldn't that be SYS$BRO? :-) AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Loose Cannon-dian Message-ID: <9a0133d0-24dd-4bb0-aac8-4a57d6dd95bd@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Sep 17, 11:45 am, Keith Cayemberg wrote: > On Sep 17, 8:22 am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > > > Bob Koehler schrieb: > > > > And the question is still unanswerable > > > of course it is. > > > > soley because no on has > > > bothered to put those issues into a certification. > > > Of course people have bothered. > > Issues of common interest are covered by suites like the > > (now obsolete) Orange Book or the more recent Common Criteria > > (E1 .. E6). > > So where on that scale is VMS ? > > Simple question, simple answer. > > Well, the real answer isn't simple. > > Please read the following article completely at the Government > Computer News. > > http://www.gcn.com/print/26_21/44857-1.html# > > I think you will then understand that the situation with these > certifications is more complex. There is a lot of politics and > business interests playing are role here, and much less of a straight- > forward scientifically-based process. > > First of all these are not really security ratings at all in the sense > of telling you how hard it would be to compromise a product's > security. It is not even a rating of the effectiveness of the > product's security features. It is more an evaluation of the vendor's > development processes. There is no attempt to provide a comparison > rating of the security architecture and features of a product compared > with any another product. > > Even if a person correctly understands what is being evaluated, one > should still have a healthy skepticism over the the ratings given to > any one product. The details of the evaluations are closed to the > public, supposedly to protect intellectual property. And, it appears > that a vendor can simply shop around to find a lab that gives the > desired rating. > > The following segment is from the article linked above... > -------------- > =93The problem is, there are 20 countries in this, and some of the labs > in other countries are making a fortune doing evaluations because they > are easier than the U.S. labs,=94 Paller said. > > =93I don=92t think the labs per se are the problem,=94 Shapiro said. =93I= t=92s > who pays, and can the results be confirmed? At the moment, vendors are > negotiating with evaluators and walking down the street to a second > evaluator when the first evaluator will not give them what they want. > This is not hypothetical. The behavior is being observed in the wild.=94 > > Under the scheme, everyone accepts one lab=92s results, and under the > opaque evaluation process, results cannot be easily confirmed. > -------------- > > Please note that a LOT of euphemism is being used in this article. > Most of the people being quoted in this article from a government- > oriented magazine do have a lingering interest to have the expensive > program seen in a positive light. > > For me it was already clear that if MS Windows NT already received an > equal rating to OpenVMS, then the evaluations were clearly flawed in > any sense of rating security design or features. The ratings are next > to useless for anyone except FUD-slinging salesmen. > > Consequently, I must agree with Bob Koehler that the effectiveness and > comprehensiveness of OS security capabilities have never been > officially evaluated by any organization in any straight-forward > scientifically-based comparative process. > > In my opinion performing such an evaluation in a fair and reasonable > way would first require that field of Computer Science first grow-up > (as did the field of Structural Engineering to provide safe buildings > and bridges) to at least provide "quality metrics" of software > implementation and "design" that wasn't completely dependent on > empirical evaluation. This is necessary since nobody can completely > test empirically all possible code paths of a complex product (with > the possible limited exception of using mathematically verifiable pure- > functional programming of small, very clearly defined programs; which > excludes something of the general usefulness and complexity of an OS). > Since the security attained by a product is never more that it's > weakest feature, comprehensiveness is a necessary requisite of a fair > and accurate security evaluation. > > As in Structural Engineering does with buildings and bridges we can > come closer to a predictable quality of software by standardizing the > "quality metrics" of the methods and materials used for design, > features and implementation, but we don't even have an agreement yet > in the industry of what the design, features and methods should > include, or how to rate the quality of their integration. > > Cheers! > > Keith Cayemberg Wise words, and an interesting article. Software (and systems design) in general is a *long* way from being a proper engineering subject. In many cases and in many places and with all due respect to CMMI etc it's barely risen beyond the craft stage, and from time to time it falls even further back, to being a fashion industry, except the "fashion victims" here can be out of pocket for $millions if the project doesn't work out right. > "it was already clear that if MS Windows NT already received an > equal rating to OpenVMS, then the evaluations were clearly flawed in > any sense of rating security design or features. The ratings are next > to useless for anyone except FUD-slinging salesmen. Useful to FUD-slinging salespeople, and also the many MS-dependent people and organisations in the Windows-centric monoculture. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2008 18:56:09 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Loose Cannon-dian Message-ID: <6jd269F2n1bdU1@mid.individual.net> In article <9a0133d0-24dd-4bb0-aac8-4a57d6dd95bd@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk writes: > On Sep 17, 11:45 am, Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> >> "it was already clear that if MS Windows NT already received an >> equal rating to OpenVMS, then the evaluations were clearly flawed in >> any sense of rating security design or features. The ratings are next >> to useless for anyone except FUD-slinging salesmen. > > Useful to FUD-slinging salespeople, and also the many MS-dependent > people and organisations in the Windows-centric monoculture. You make statements like this and accuse others of FUD? Just because you have a bias against MS doesn't mean any of the crap you spout about its security are actually true. Just because your Gramma's WindowsME got hacked doesn't mean there are no serious Windows Servers running securely. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:16:30 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Architect/Consultant Position Available Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > "John Smith" writes: >> Who is the radar manufacturer you can see on the north side of I-95 as you >> drive by? I can't recall whether it is Raytheon or GE -- it's been a while >> since I passed through the area. Long history of EW stuff in that area - >> especially when Griffiss AFB @ Rome, NY was the EW headquarters. > > Ummm..... I-95 doesn't go anywhere near Rome, NY. That's I-81. > > bill > > Perhaps he is talking about the "ship in the cornfield" just off I-295 in New Jersey. There is a structure that looks more or less like the top of a ship with antennas all over it. Once upon a time I knew who ran it but my memory grows DIMM. Perhaps it will come back to me. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 2008 13:33:20 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Architect/Consultant Position Available Message-ID: <7MPsLgz3SQ4J@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Perhaps he is talking about the "ship in the cornfield" just off I-295 > in New Jersey. There is a structure that looks more or less like the > top of a ship with antennas all over it. Once upon a time I knew who > ran it but my memory grows DIMM. Perhaps it will come back to me. There is a cruiser superstructure between 295 and the turnpike in New Jersey. It was used as part of the Aegis development. It says NAVY and AEGIS all over it. But when your headed south on the turnpike all you see at first is the superstructure west of the road. Sure looks like you're approaching deep water from the wrong side. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <1b37f487-8b1b-44eb-b8c4-d6116f0ee9b9@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Sep 15, 5:52 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <74117e75-f9b6-469e-a3c6-57781f61d...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > > > > So what did you have? A VAX 11/750? > > No. As I said it was an 11/780. 11/750 had not yet been announced. Well, you wrote: " I don't know about running the accelerator, but when I was introduced to particle physics I was told that you "collect your data on a PDP-11 and analyze it on a PDP-10". That was a couple years before DECshipped the first 11/780. The particle physics group bought the cheapest system DEC would ship: 1MB RAM, 64MB disk (I think), one 9 track, one LA36, no FPA. We added 1 DZ-11. " All you said here was that you used the pdp a couple of years before the first 11/780. Then you said the cheapest DEC system, but not when. When you said the cheapest system it sounded to me like it could be any system, not just the 11/780, even if it was at the time of the first 11/780. DEC didn't have anything cheaper than a VAX 11/780? Even a non-VAX (or does the LA36 only work on a VAX)? Sorry, I guess I read it wrong or just didn't know enough history -- or both! or whatever. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: sampsal@gmail.com Subject: Running OpenVMS in a virtual machine on Itanium? Message-ID: Is this possible? http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf seems to indicate that they're planning on this being available: "OpenVMS Virtual Machines is running in the lab on Intel=AEMontecito prototype systems as of December 2005, with first production shipments planned for 2007" Sampsa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:19:45 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: Running OpenVMS in a virtual machine on Itanium? Message-ID: <00A7FC72.0B4CDC7D@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article , sampsal@gmail.com writes: >Is this possible? http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf >seems to indicate that they're planning on this being available: > >"OpenVMS Virtual Machines is running in the lab on Intel=AEMontecito >prototype systems as of December >2005, with first production shipments planned for 2007" Yes, it's possible. VMS has to run under the virtual machine supervisor that runs on HP/UX, so your actual hardware is running HP/UX. -- Alan ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.512 ************************