INFO-VAX Wed, 24 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 516 Contents: Re: Cobol switches and LNM$FILE_DEV : bug ? Re: EFI Console Re: EFI Console Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: License generator... Re: License generator... Re: License generator... Re: OpenVMS and Oracle 10.2.0.4.0 Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Ruby on OpenVMS needs a maintainer Re: SSH break-in attempts Re: SSH break-in attempts Re: SSH break-in attempts Re: SSH break-in attempts Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Re: URGENT SCSI Adapter Cluster devices RE: We only open our wallets when the price is dirt cheap. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Sep 2008 07:43:57 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Cobol switches and LNM$FILE_DEV : bug ? Message-ID: <3N0dKSDJtCZE@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Marc Van Dyck writes: > Cobol switches (see the SET SWITCH primitive) have been implemented > with a logical name, COB$SWITCHES, normally defined in the process > table at user level. For a reason unknown to me, the COBRTL code > uses the first table pointed by LNM$FILE_DEV to create this logical > name. This is OK until LNM$FILE_DEV is modified for whatever reason. > If, after modification, the first table pointed by LNM$FILE_DEV belongs > in LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY, the user mode definition trick does not work > and COB$SWITCHES remains defined after image exit, which is in complete > contradiction to what is said about it in the compiler documentation. > Does that count as a bug ? If yes, how do I get it solved ? And is > there a way, documented or not, to force COBRTL to define COB$SWITCHES > in LNM$PROCESS, whatever LNM$FILE_DEV says ? Changing LNM$FILE_DEV to put the system table first is likely to break lots of things. The behaviour you're seeing is an expected result. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:17:57 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: EFI Console Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:22:57 -0700, Tom Linden wrote: > I got one of those RX2600 and in trying to talk to the console > connected from an Alpha using > SET HOST/DTE TTA0 > > it keeps trying to refresh the screen and eventually ends with > garbage. What should be the terminal settings on the Alpha? > > Tom > I connected a pigtail to to the MP port and to that a cable from TTA0 on an Alpha, nothing. I have the terminal at 9600-N-8-1, should it be something else? Same cable works on the console port (not on the MP) -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:33:19 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: EFI Console Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:17:57 -0700, Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:22:57 -0700, Tom Linden > wrote: > >> I got one of those RX2600 and in trying to talk to the console >> connected from an Alpha using >> SET HOST/DTE TTA0 >> >> it keeps trying to refresh the screen and eventually ends with >> garbage. What should be the terminal settings on the Alpha? >> >> Tom >> > I connected a pigtail to to the MP port and to that a cable > from TTA0 on an Alpha, nothing. > > I have the terminal at 9600-N-8-1, should it be something else? > Same cable works on the console port (not on the MP) > > I also note that whereas the light comes on the NIC on the system, the one on the MP remains black. I wonder if I have a bad MP? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2008 08:36:01 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: <92cjqbPYDj7K@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <5UeCk.1038$MN3.360@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, John Santos writes: > > Sure wish they would fix this (editing wide lines)! > I've filed multiple formal enhancement requests for this and other DCL deficiencies over the years. I've never even had any clarification back from anyone other than the support people who logged the requests. I personally put things like this into the "will never happen" category. I switch between Linux and VMS on a daily basis and DCL is really dated compared to the capabilities in bash. Yes, I know that there's an older version of bash available for VMS, but we are talking about the capabilities of the native CLI environment here, which for VMS is DCL. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:01:54 -0400 From: "John Vottero" Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: "Simon Clubley" wrote in message news:92cjqbPYDj7K@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <5UeCk.1038$MN3.360@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>, John Santos > writes: >> >> Sure wish they would fix this (editing wide lines)! >> > > I've filed multiple formal enhancement requests for this and other DCL > deficiencies over the years. > > I've never even had any clarification back from anyone other than the > support people who logged the requests. > > I personally put things like this into the "will never happen" category. > > I switch between Linux and VMS on a daily basis and DCL is really dated > compared to the capabilities in bash. Yes, I know that there's an older > version of bash available for VMS, but we are talking about the > capabilities of the native CLI environment here, which for VMS is DCL. > I agree. HP needs to replace DCL with a modern CLI/scripting environment. It's another example of OpenVMS falling behind, even Windows has a better CLI (PowerShell). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:28:13 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: <48da6b62$0$12361$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> John Vottero wrote: > I agree. HP needs to replace DCL with a modern CLI/scripting environment. > > It's another example of OpenVMS falling behind, even Windows has a better > CLI (PowerShell). As I recall, the problem with the line editing is with the terminal driver which would need a major update to handle command lines longer than the screen width. I am not sure that this requires a "replace DCL". ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2008 12:19:49 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: In article <48da6b62$0$12361$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > John Vottero wrote: > >> I agree. HP needs to replace DCL with a modern CLI/scripting environment. >> >> It's another example of OpenVMS falling behind, even Windows has a better >> CLI (PowerShell). > > > As I recall, the problem with the line editing is with the terminal > driver which would need a major update to handle command lines longer > than the screen width. > Fine, so fix the problem within DCL if there's no-one left within VMS Engineering who can fix the driver. > I am not sure that this requires a "replace DCL". > Other missing features not in DCL, but in bash: Automatic retention of command history, including the automatic merging of just the new commands from that session into the command history file. Tab based filename completion. Command history searching is much more elegant in bash. Hit Ctrl-R, type a few characters found anywhere in the command, which starts an immediate search through the command history, and just keep hitting Ctrl-R until the required command is found. No way to search the help library. (Yes, I know that's not really a bash function, but on VMS, HELP is considered to be part of DCL.) These don't require a "replace DCL" action, but they are the things that I find _extremely_ frustrating when switching from a bash shell to a DCL session. However, providing an additional CLI/scripting environment with VMS would allow the additional types of features seen in other environments, but for now I would be happy with just the above been added to DCL. Simon. PS: While I'm on my wishlist, a HP supported Python on VMS, that I can log support calls against, would be _very_ nice. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:22:23 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: License generator... Message-ID: John Santos wrote: > It has been posted here many times that *anyone* can join the US chapter > of DECUS as an associate member for free. You don't have to be a US > citizen or resident. > > However, DECUS/Encompass now steers you to the Connect web site, and I > can't find an equivalent of the old DECUS associate membership there. I asked Nina Buik, President of the new combined Connect user group, about this issue, and she replied: "We will still offer the OpenVMS Hobbyist License to non-voting members. In order to be a non-voting/non-paying member, one needs to be either affiliated with a local chapter or if there is none, show active volunteerism by serving on a committee, posting content on our social networking site, speaking at events...etc." I just now sent her an e-mail asking for specifics on the process one would follow to obtain one of these non-voting/non-paying memberships. I'll pass on the info when I receive it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:32:15 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: License generator... Message-ID: In article , Keith Parris writes: > John Santos wrote: > > It has been posted here many times that *anyone* can join the US chapter > > of DECUS as an associate member for free. You don't have to be a US > > citizen or resident. > > > > However, DECUS/Encompass now steers you to the Connect web site, and I > > can't find an equivalent of the old DECUS associate membership there. > > I asked Nina Buik, President of the new combined Connect user group, > about this issue, and she replied: > > "We will still offer the OpenVMS Hobbyist License to non-voting members. > In order to be a non-voting/non-paying member, one needs to be either > affiliated with a local chapter or if there is none, show active > volunteerism by serving on a committee, posting content on our social > networking site, speaking at events...etc." > > I just now sent her an e-mail asking for specifics on the process one > would follow to obtain one of these non-voting/non-paying memberships. > I'll pass on the info when I receive it. I would think that a certain number of posts in comp.os.vms within the last year should qualify one as a "VMS booster" and thus allow one to become a non-paying member. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: License generator... Message-ID: <10e00977-a32d-4043-846f-75a2407d4685@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Sep 24, 9:22=A0am, Keith Parris wrote: > John Santos wrote: > > It has been posted here many times that *anyone* can join the US chapte= r > > of DECUS as an associate member for free. =A0You don't have to be a US > > citizen or resident. > > > However, DECUS/Encompass now steers you to the Connect web site, and I > > can't find an equivalent of the old DECUS associate membership there. > > I asked Nina Buik, President of the new combined Connect user group, > about this issue, and she replied: > > "We will still offer the OpenVMS Hobbyist License to non-voting members. > In order to be a non-voting/non-paying member, one needs to be either > affiliated with a local chapter or if there is none, show active > volunteerism by serving on a committee, posting content on our social > networking site, speaking at events...etc." > > I just now sent her an e-mail asking for specifics on the process one > would follow to obtain one of these non-voting/non-paying memberships. > I'll pass on the info when I receive it. Connect shouldn't rule over the Hobbyist License imo. They should certainly be part of it, but not the rulers. There are plenty of people not close to a LUG, woops Chapter and/or don't desire to social network, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:01:36 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Oracle 10.2.0.4.0 Message-ID: Hi I've been told (a couple of weeks ago) by an Oracle support person that OEM grid control for Itanium would be available last week... It was promised to me at least twice in the past year, so I hope this is true now. My feeling is that it will be, as they have a date, not just an estimate. As for 10.2.0.4 I don't know. I hope to get it soon too. If you write to Kevin Duffy, can you post the answer here ? Thanks Syltrem wrote in message news:fe2a785c-6541-4bf2-8bd1-8182138a32ed@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > I've been told by Oracle that the terminal release patchset 10.2.0.4.0 > will be available by the end of October AND that the Itanium 10.2 Grid > Control agent will be available in the next couple of weeks. Can > anyone confirm I'm not being spun the typical Oracle VMS yarn. I've > had these messages in the past but nothing ever emerges. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: I think the 5 billion or so that the LHC cost is trival in government financials - look how much the USA Govt is spending on bailing out Wall Street. I guess the immediate benefits will be for the engineering companies who built parts of the LHC. They use it as a showcase for their work and I expect they learnt a few things building it. Unfortunately it looks like the LHC is taking an early winter break while they fix it so we will have to wait until next year for the end of the world :-) IIRC the LHC is about 10 times more powerful than the previous experiment, Longer term I hope it does answer some questions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <20aae13f-2c33-4323-957e-663a727daa10@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Sep 24, 2:38=A0am, IanMiller wrote: > I think the 5 billion or so that the LHC cost is trival in government > financials - look how much the USA Govt is spending on bailing =A0out > Wall Street. > > I guess the immediate benefits will be for the engineering companies > who built parts of the LHC. They use it as a showcase for their work > and I expect they learnt a few things building it. > > Unfortunately it looks like the LHC is taking an early winter break > while they fix it so we will have to wait until next year for the end > of the world :-) > IIRC the LHC is about 10 times more powerful than the previous > experiment, Longer term I hope =A0it does answer some questions. 5 billion or the 700 billion bailout -- heck. That's a farthing compared to what's been and will continue to be spent in/on Iraq. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: synergism Subject: Ruby on OpenVMS needs a maintainer Message-ID: As I posted last month on ITRC and will repeat again here as suggested by one of the respondents ... http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447626+1222259834914+28353475&threadId=1265864 For some years, now, we have nursed along an OpenVMS port of Ruby 1.8.2 when its original maintainer from HP in Japan stopped working on it. It is far behind the latest stable release (1.8.7), does not have a proper build system, is not packaged in a proper distribution kit, but works well enough for our purposes. (We have successfully deployed some Rails applications with it.) The code is here: http://rubyforge.org/scm/?group_id=2483 We do not have the resources to be the maintainers. We are doing the job merely out of necessity. We would like to contact someone at HP to see if anyone there has an interest in supporting this project. Here are the Ruby committer's thoughts about OpenVMS support from their developer's camp this summer: http://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/162565 In short, OpenVMS is currently on their "not supported" list, but could be at "best effort" support level if it had a maintainer. Is anyone here interested in the job? Would someone please let me know who I should contact at HP about this? Thanks, Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:51:03 +0200 From: "Fred Zwarts" Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: "Alan Frisbie" wrote in message = news:tL2dnZrIaL-P7ETVnZ2dnUVZ_vjinZ2d@supernews.com... > Peter Weaver wrote: >=20 > > ... >> $! Let's check to see if we have seen this IP in the past 15 minutes >> $! >> $ search TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;* 'sysrem_node /status = /since=3D-00:15/output=3Dnl: >=20 > I have never seen the /Status switch on Search before, nor do I find > any mention of it in the Help or DCL Dictionary entry for Search. > How did you learn of it? Where is it documented? DCL uses only the first four characters of verbs and qualifiers at = maximum. Try HELP SEAR /STAT See below for more of those undocumented features of OpenVMS from an old = article in this newsgroup. Fred.Zwarts. The Uniform Resource Locator for this document is: news:01HAUWC54VWY8WVZ3S@kopc.hhs.dk Arne Vajhoej=20 Re: Undocumented VMS commands Wed, 06 Apr 1994 14:32:02 +0100 Info-Vax<=3D=3D>Comp.Os.Vms Gateway=20 Newsgroups:=20 comp.os.vms=20 > The following is a partial list of undocumented DCL commands and some > descriptions which were gleaned from comments in the source code. > Please note that all the above commands are ENTIRELY unsupported. = PLEASE > DO NOT ATTEMPT to use them on a production system, unless you really = know > what you are doing. If in doubt, consider the following hints: >=20 > 1. Why does the undocumented command EDITOR manage to bypass your > definition of the EDIT symbol ? >=20 > 2. What is the date on this article ? >=20 > I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS. YOU HAVE BEEN = WARNED. The carefull reader must have observed that the article is posted close to april first (second hint) and that date is somewhat suspicious. But I = did actually first receive it april fifth (bad net connection somewhere). = And not everyone knows that DCL verbs and qualifiers are only significant for = the first 4 characters (first hint above). So here is a translation for those who wondered. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ALLOW=20 >=20 > Allows shared access to a device. If the device is in use, users are = queued > until the device becomes free. For example, if you have a heavily = used > tape drive, you should place the command ALLOW MUA0 in your LOGIN.COM = file. ALLOW --> ALLOcate > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > SET LOG /INTERPRET=3D1 >=20 > Turns on logging interpretation for batch log files. Note that if you = have > a large number of users on your machine, you can greatly improve = performance by > issuing a SET LOG/INTERPRET=3D0 command. SET LOG /INTERPRET --> SET LOG /INTEractive > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > DELEGATE=20 >=20 > The DELEGATE command specifies that the quota charges for the = specified > files be charged to the system rather than to the file owner. For = example. >=20 > $ SHOW QUOTA > User [T_WADE] has 101667 blocks used, 98333 available, > of 200000 authorized and permitted overdraft of 0 blocks on = US$ > $ > $ DELEGATE *.*;* > $ SHOW QUOTA > User [T_WADE] has 0 blocks used, 200000 available, > of 200000 authorized and permitted overdraft of 0 blocks on = US$ DELEGATE --> DELEte > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > INITIATE =20 >=20 > The INITIATE command initiates a deferred backup of the specified = device, > at the time specified. For example, if all your user files are on = DUA1, > you should issue: >=20 > $ INITIATE DUA1: TOMORROW INITIATE --> INITialize > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > INSTRUCT [qualifier] >=20 > The INSTRUCT command is a security enhancement, which instructs a = backup copy > to be made of any file being moved using the MOVEFILE primitive. For = example, > you can increase the security of your file system by issuing: >=20 > $ INSTRUCT REPLACE COPY /PRIVATE=3DBYPASS >=20 > (bypassing private MOVEFILE operations). INSTRUCT --> INSTall > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > LICE utility (Linkable Interpreted Command = Environment) >=20 > This utility allows the system manager to link in customized command > interpreters into various utilities. For example >=20 > $ LICE DISABLE VAX-VMS >=20 > will disable any customization of the standard VMS commands, which is > recommended. LICE --> LICEnse > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > REQUIRE=20 >=20 > The REQUIRE command allocates a particular resource name to your = system. > You then identify which .EXE files are to be associated with that = resource > by issuing a PRINCIPAL command. These .EXE then assume the resource = when > they are running. E.g. >=20 > $ REQUIRE "GIMME_PAPER" /noreplicate > $ PRINCIPAL SYS$SYSTEM:*.EXE REQUIRE --> REQUest PRINCIPAL --> PRINt > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > SET TERMINAL /LOCATE >=20 > The SET TERMINAL qualify /LOCATE will return the current location of = the > terminal. Note: if the terminal refuses to output anything, then it = means that > your system manager has an active `spy' process on your terminal, = which > is logging all your output to a file. If this happens, you should = complain > to your system manager. SET TERM /LOCATE --> SET TERM /LOCAl_echo BTW, now we are on the topic ! From the VMS 5.2 release notes section = 2.4.1: DCL currently checks only the first four characters of command verbs and qualifiers. Because of the continuing growth in the number of VMS product that use DCL command syntax, VMS is considering a change in which four characters may not be enough to identify all verbs or qualifiers. So do not rely too much on this feature, if the VMS people someday = should decide to take action as described above. Arne Arne Vajh=F8j local DECNET: KO::ARNE Computer Department PSI: = PSI%238310013040::ARNE Business School of Southern Denmark Internet: ARNE@KO.HHS.DK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:52:29 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: <48d9f1bc$0$188$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Here's trymsg.com. Jur. $ Verif = 'F$Verify(0) $ If "''P1'" .nes. "" Then $ Goto Start_1 $ Inquire P1 "Enter message code" $ If P1 .eqs. "" Then $ Goto Start $Start_1: $ Found = 0 $ Msgfil = "" $Loop: $ Junk = F$Message(P1) $ If F$Extract(0,7,Junk) .Eqs. "%NONAME" Then Goto Next_File $ If F$Locate("-NOMSG",Junk) .Ne. F$Length(Junk) Then Goto Next_File $ If Msgfil .eqs. "" Then $ Goto No_File $ Write Sys$Output "" $ Write Sys$Output "From ''Msgfil'..." $No_File: $ Write Sys$Output "" $ Write Sys$Output Junk $ Write Sys$Output "" $! Found = 1 $! Goto Exit $Next_File: $ Msgfil = F$Search("Sys$Message:*.Exe") $ If Msgfil .Eqs. "" Then Goto Exit $ Set Message 'Msgfil' $write sys$output "File: ",msgfil $ Goto Loop $Exit: $ If .Not. Found Then Write Sys$Output "No message found for ",P1 $ Exit 1 + (0 * F$Verify(Verif)) H Vlems wrote: >> > Ken, where is TRYMSG.COM to be found, freeware cd? > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2008 07:55:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: In article , "Fred Zwarts" writes: > > DCL uses only the first four characters of verbs and qualifiers at = > maximum. > Try HELP SEAR /STAT > Not quite true. While all verbs are unique at no more than four characters, additional characters can be used to distinguish between symbols and verbs. For example, there is no LOGOUTNOW command. But I've had LO*GOUT == "@SYS$LOGIN:LOGOUT.COM" for many years. LOGOUT.COM ends with LOGOUTNOW which DCL regonises as not matching the symbol LO*GOUT. Then it finds that it does match to four characters the verb LOGOUT. Similarly, because so many people set up DEL*ETE == "DELETE/CONFIRM" (which returns a warning if you need delete/symbol), I often code DELETEE in DCL scripts. As in DELETEE/SYMBOL DEL, which then returns simple success. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:31:04 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: <00A801B0.BA96CEF0@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , "Fred Zwarts" writes: >> >> DCL uses only the first four characters of verbs and qualifiers at = >> maximum. >> Try HELP SEAR /STAT >> > Not quite true. While all verbs are unique at no more than four > characters, additional characters can be used to distinguish between > symbols and verbs. > > For example, there is no LOGOUTNOW command. But I've had > LO*GOUT == "@SYS$LOGIN:LOGOUT.COM" > for many years. LOGOUT.COM ends with LOGOUTNOW which DCL > regonises as not matching the symbol LO*GOUT. Then it finds that > it does match to four characters the verb LOGOUT. > > Similarly, because so many people set up DEL*ETE == "DELETE/CONFIRM" > (which returns a warning if you need delete/symbol), I often code > DELETEE in DCL scripts. As in DELETEE/SYMBOL DEL, which then > returns simple success. I always repeat the last character for this purpose. I have people watching me type tell me that I've misspelledd ;) DELETEE wheneverr I do thiss. It's for a goodd reasonn. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Message-ID: On Sep 23, 11:20=A0pm, apogeusiste...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi: > I=B4m a newbie in VMS, and I=B4m looking for a way to remove > all hidden characters in a text file to get only pure text. > Thanks Are you referring to the printer carriage control information? To understand to what is referred to in the original post it would be helpful if the Carriage Control portion of the output from a DIRECTORY/ FULL command were provided. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:44:52 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Message-ID: Hi, wrote in message news:f6da089e-1bd3-42d5-af3c-adf3d2b23482@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... Hi: I´m a newbie in VMS, and I´m looking for a way to remove all hidden characters in a text file to get only pure text. Thanks Created by the COBOL Report Writer? $CONVERT/FDL might be worth a look? Cheers Richard Maher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Message-ID: <55bf3060-5d06-47fb-8a86-e25d5e13868b@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Sep 24, 6:44=A0am, "Richard Maher" wrote: > Hi, > > wrote in message > > news:f6da089e-1bd3-42d5-af3c-adf3d2b23482@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > Hi: > I=B4m a newbie in VMS, and I=B4m looking for a way to remove > all hidden characters in a text file to get only pure text. > Thanks > > Created by the COBOL Report Writer? > > $CONVERT/FDL might be worth a look? > > Cheers Richard Maher And so too might $ TYPE/OUTPUT=3Dnewfile.txt oldfile.dat depending upon what those hidden characters are. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 2008 08:36:51 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Text file generated by a Cobol application Message-ID: In article , apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes: > Hi: > I=B4m a newbie in VMS, and I=B4m looking for a way to remove > all hidden characters in a text file to get only pure text. > Thanks I'll assume that "=B4" is MIME for one of the Microsoft "smart quotes". Please turn them off, quotes that can only be read on MS stuff are pretty dumb. As for your question: DUMP will show you printable characters and a lot more. gnu strings will probably run on VMS. Otherwise, you get to do some programming. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:51:45 -0400 From: "David Turner, islandco.com" Subject: Re: URGENT SCSI Adapter Cluster devices Message-ID: Thanks for the help Problem almost solved -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "David Turner, islandco.com" wrote in message news:0lbCk.33153$XB4.21835@bignews9.bellsouth.net... > Am I wrong here, or is the only supported SCSI controller for clustering > the KZPBA-Cx > > The Single Ended -CA or the HVD -CB? > > I was under the impression, though normally wrong, that he KZPEA-DB U2 > Adaptec Ctr was useable now for > clustering - I have a customer with 2 x Adaptec 39160 (KZPEA-DB) that > wants to cluster 2 x ES45 > > I am seeing older information stating that the Adaptec is not supported in > a shred bus environment but have also read that it is > Can someone enlighten me???? > > Help ! > > David > > -- > David B Turner > > ============================================= > > Island Computers US Corp > PO Box 86 > Tybee GA 31328 > > Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 > Email: dturner@islandco.com > International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 > Fax: 912 786 8505 > Web: www.islandco.com > > ============================================= > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:25:47 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: We only open our wallets when the price is dirt cheap. Message-ID: <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED612EFDE@GVW1158EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:31 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: We only open our wallets when the price is dirt cheap. > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > > In addition, moving to a current version of OpenVMS natively allows > one > > to use some of the newer features (Java, encryption, third party > support > > like MQ Series + others etc) to integrate existing app code with > other > > applications currently in use in the Cust environment. > > The above assumes that the owner has a policy of still developping that > app. Doing a port and retain it on VAX is a good indication that the > owner has no long term intentions with that VMS based app and just > wants > to keep it running as is until it is fully replaced on a modern > platform. > Of course. If it is not broke and it works reliably, then why fix it? Same applies to any application running on 15+ year old HW. Heck, there are manufacturing App's still running on NT4 and Solaris 7/8 era systems. > Also, consider the possibility that this app relies on VAX middleware > that was not ported to Alpha (and then perhaps ported to Alpha but not > to that IA64 thing). There are translator options, but if it's like most middleware, then you might be able to run the middle tier on Alpha and the back end on IA64. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.516 ************************