INFO-VAX Sun, 26 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 578 Contents: Re: AS200 and DE500 Re: AS200 and DE500 Re: AS200 and DE500 Re: AS200 and DE500 Re: AS200 and DE500 Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: INIT params for disk to build on-disk save sets TCPIP Services : SHOW CONF ENABLE SERVICE suggestion Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:29:15 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: AS200 and DE500 Message-ID: <08102516291498_202032EE@antinode.info> From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > The built in interface is 10/100, the same as the DE500. Installing a > DE500 is pointless unless you need a second Ethernet interface or you > somehow fried the built in interface. Maybe on yours. On mine, EWA0 said "DE435", and was 10Mb/s. I did add a DE205 (10Mb/s, ISA, ERA0) card once, which was mildly entertaining. That was back when my DSL gizmo was a bridge, and I wanted to keep the non-IP traffic off it, so a second interface was useful. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:48:01 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: AS200 and DE500 Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > >> The built in interface is 10/100, the same as the DE500. Installing a >> DE500 is pointless unless you need a second Ethernet interface or you >> somehow fried the built in interface. > > Maybe on yours. On mine, EWA0 said "DE435", and was 10Mb/s. I did > add a DE205 (10Mb/s, ISA, ERA0) card once, which was mildly > entertaining. That was back when my DSL gizmo was a bridge, and I > wanted to keep the non-IP traffic off it, so a second interface was > useful. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 Didn't you ever set it to 100 MB? I did it so many years ago that I've forgotten exactly how but ISTR it was done from the SRM console. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:45:19 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: AS200 and DE500 Message-ID: <00A81A6B.0E62BB60@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >Steven M. Schweda wrote: >> From: "Richard B. Gilbert" >> >>> The built in interface is 10/100, the same as the DE500. Installing a >>> DE500 is pointless unless you need a second Ethernet interface or you >>> somehow fried the built in interface. >> >> Maybe on yours. On mine, EWA0 said "DE435", and was 10Mb/s. I did >> add a DE205 (10Mb/s, ISA, ERA0) card once, which was mildly >> entertaining. That was back when my DSL gizmo was a bridge, and I >> wanted to keep the non-IP traffic off it, so a second interface was >> useful. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 > >Didn't you ever set it to 100 MB? I did it so many years ago that I've >forgotten exactly how but ISTR it was done from the SRM console. This just doesn't sound right. I have a couple of AS200s. The "on-board" NIC has an RJ45 UTP and a BNC thin-wire connection. AFAIK, thin-wire did not support speeds over 10Mb/s. Therefore, I'd conclude that there isn't a way to configure that interface to 100Mb/s. I put DE600s in the AS200s. An SDA> CLUE CONFIG/ADAPTER shows: FFFFFFFF.81D1ACA8 30 FFFFFFFF.842FC000 2C PKA: 6 NCR 53C810 SCSI FFFFFFFF.81D1AD20 38 FFFFFFFF.842FE000 7 SATURN FFFFFFFF.81D1AF00 58 FFFFFFFF.84502000 14 EWA: 11 DE434/DE435 (Ethernet) FFFFFFFF.81D1AF78 60 FFFFFFFF.84504000 28 GYA: 12 ZLXp-E (TGA) FFFFFFFF.81D1AFF0 68 FFFFFFFF.84506000 38 EIA: 13 DE600-AA (Fast Ethernet) Note that it says Ethernet only and not Fast Ethernet. Some googling has convinced me the DE435 had the Tulip chipset and that it was 10baseT only. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:11:06 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: AS200 and DE500 Message-ID: <08102520110671_202032E4@antinode.info> From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > Steven M. Schweda wrote: > > From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > > > >> The built in interface is 10/100, the same as the DE500. Installing a > >> DE500 is pointless unless you need a second Ethernet interface or you > >> somehow fried the built in interface. > > > > Maybe on yours. On mine, EWA0 said "DE435", and was 10Mb/s. I did > > add a DE205 (10Mb/s, ISA, ERA0) card once, which was mildly > > entertaining. That was back when my DSL gizmo was a bridge, and I > > wanted to keep the non-IP traffic off it, so a second interface was > > useful. > Didn't you ever set it to 100 MB? I did it so many years ago that I've > forgotten exactly how but ISTR it was done from the SRM console. No, I never did. My guess is that you've not only forgotten exactly how you did it, but also exactly where and/or to what. But, hey. All evidence to the contrary aside, I'm open to an actual demonstration of this miraculous phenomenon. SMS. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:45:40 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: AS200 and DE500 Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > >> Steven M. Schweda wrote: >>> From: "Richard B. Gilbert" >>> >>>> The built in interface is 10/100, the same as the DE500. Installing a >>>> DE500 is pointless unless you need a second Ethernet interface or you >>>> somehow fried the built in interface. >>> Maybe on yours. On mine, EWA0 said "DE435", and was 10Mb/s. I did >>> add a DE205 (10Mb/s, ISA, ERA0) card once, which was mildly >>> entertaining. That was back when my DSL gizmo was a bridge, and I >>> wanted to keep the non-IP traffic off it, so a second interface was >>> useful. > >> Didn't you ever set it to 100 MB? I did it so many years ago that I've >> forgotten exactly how but ISTR it was done from the SRM console. > > No, I never did. My guess is that you've not only forgotten exactly > how you did it, but also exactly where and/or to what. But, hey. All > evidence to the contrary aside, I'm open to an actual demonstration of > this miraculous phenomenon. > > SMS. It could be that I've forgotten. I dug out the "User Information" which is the only documenation that I recall getting with the system. It looks as if the built in Ethernet is 10MB only. Maybe what I set was full duplex. I've had the box for about ten years now; I bought it when it went EOL and DEC had a "clearance sale". It cost me about $2K and I just about broke my arm reaching for my check book. That got me the box, with VMS and NAS 150 licenses, etc. It has run for ten years now without a hardware problem. DEC really knew how to build em!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:00:27 -0600 From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 at 19:13 -0000, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , Rob Brown writes: >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 at 11:17 -0700, AEF wrote: >> >>> $ TYPE RECA.COM >>> $ pipe recall/out=x.lis ! ; search x.lis sea >>> $ @RECA >>> $ DIR/SIZE X.LIS >>> %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found >>> $ >> >> I don't remember all that has gone on in the past on this thread, but >> as I recall RECALL/OUT in a command file does not create an output >> file. It does not on Eisner and it does not on my 7.1 system. Did >> anybody ever say that this had been made to work? > > I wrote a DCL program to do it. Yes, you said that on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 at 01:23 -0000, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG: > ... > > I copied a file to your EISNER account default. It is called: > > GET_COMMAND_LINE_RECALL.COM > > It uses SYMBOL (which is installed on EISNER) and gets the DCL > command line recall info similar to RECALL/ALL. This procedure > shows how easy it is to get this using DCL... It sounds to me like you are saying that you did not use the RECALL command, but did something else that provides the same information. Am I misunderstanding you? If not, then I stand by my previous statement: RECALL/OUT does not work inside a command file. In fact I will expand my previous statement and say that RECALL/ALL does not work either. It appears that there is no recall buffer when you are in a command file that is accessible by the RECALL command. Here is a demonstration on EISNER: $ show system/noproc OpenVMS V8.3 on node EISNER ... $ show time 25-OCT-2008 23:39:15 $ recall/all ! commands in recall buffer 1 show time 2 show system/noproc $ @tt: ! start a command file _$ recall/all ! recall buffer is empty! _$ show time ! do a command 25-OCT-2008 23:39:32 _$ recall/all ! recall buffer is still empty! _$ Exit $ show time 25-OCT-2008 23:40:00 $ recall/all ! outside of command file there are 1 show time ! commands in the recall buffer 2 @tt: ! but not what I did inside the command 3 show time ! file 4 show system/noproc So if you used the DCL RECALL command in GET_COMMAND_LINE_RECALL.COM, I would sure like to know what the difference is between what you are doing and what I am doing. - Rob -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:05:17 -0600 From: Claude Demetrius Subject: Re: INIT params for disk to build on-disk save sets Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 at 13:12 -0700, AEF wrote: > I have a system Mean as she can be! > -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:54:09 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: TCPIP Services : SHOW CONF ENABLE SERVICE suggestion Message-ID: <034edc81$0$2128$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> TCPIP> show conf enable serv shows the node-specific services that are to be auto started. TCPIP> show conf enable serv /common Shows the services that are to be auto started on all nodes in the cluster. The problem is that when you are trying to debug some problem with TCPIP startup, one should have a command that provides the combined list. Have been scratching my head for a while to figure out why SSH and RSH were started even though they were not in the SHOW CONF ENABLE SERV. I realise that TCPIP$STARTUP.COM parses the output of those commands, so changing their format may not be so easy. But it would be nice if the SHOW SERV ENABLE CONF were to list the node specific services followed by the clusterwide sertvices. (with an header between the two to indicate that the next services are clusterwide.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:01:57 -0400 From: "Steven Underwood" Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <9kPMk.9418$Zc.3107@newsfe09.iad> "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:XeidnUFe4uNdf5zUnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com... > > I've audited more than one service contract renewal that listed equipment > we no longer had, or had NEVER had. My predecessors had obviously not > been "minding the store"! If you don't know what you have and where it > is, you can REALLY get ripped off!! > > It made me look great when within a month of being hired, I had saved the company the equivalent of my salary just by knowing what the equipment was and more imnportantly was not.... They had equipment on contract that had been removed more than 10 years before. The most obvious was the Q-bus controller associated with the AlphaServer 4100 :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:26:18 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: Steven Underwood wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message > news:XeidnUFe4uNdf5zUnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> I've audited more than one service contract renewal that listed >> equipment we no longer had, or had NEVER had. My predecessors had >> obviously not been "minding the store"! If you don't know what you >> have and where it is, you can REALLY get ripped off!! >> >> > > It made me look great when within a month of being hired, I had saved > the company the equivalent of my salary just by knowing what the > equipment was and more imnportantly was not.... They had equipment on > contract that had been removed more than 10 years before. The most > obvious was the Q-bus controller associated with the AlphaServer 4100 :) I made it a practice to take a physical inventory of the hardware and to create a database that had: Manufacturer, Model, Serial Number, Description, System used with, physical location, line number on service contract and maybe a few other fields that I've forgotten. This told me what I had on contract and enabled me get the contract coverage we needed for each piece of equipment. When the auditors came around, and wanted to know where some piece of equipment was, I could usually find it in my database and lead them to it. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.578 ************************